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Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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The speed at which enshitification is being unleashed surprises me each and every day.

Enshitification is different. It’s when companies destroy a product with hundreds of changes that prioritise internal politics above what end users want. This is something else - just the ego of one rich guy petulantly satisfying his inner demons.

> that prioritise internal politics

I thought it was about increasing short-term revenue.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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That sounds like a play on the "slow ban":

> Selective downtime, where the troll finds that the website is down (or really slow) quite often. Not all of the time, because that would tip them off. Trolls are impatient by nature, so they eventually find a more reliable forum to troll.

https://ask.metafilter.com/117775/What-was-the-first-website...

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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I think that HN itself also shadow flags submissions from a list of domains it doesn't like. Try submitting a URL from the following domains, and it will be automatically flagged (but you can't see it's flagged unless you log out): - archive.is - watcher.guru - stacker.news - zerohedge.com - freebeacon.com - thefederalist.com - breitbart.com

Well, yes, many sites are banned on HN. Others are penalized (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). None of this is secret, though we don't publish the lists themselves. Edit: about 67k sites are banned on HN. Here's a random selection of 10 of them: vodlockertv.com biggboss.org infoocode.com newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com moringajuice.wordpress.com surrogacymumbai.com max…

It is a secret if the system does not inform the poster it's been penalized.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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The word censorship has so many meanings that I have to ask what you mean by it before I can say whether I see it that way. Is it censorship that the rules of chess say you can't poke someone's queen off the board? We're trying to play a particular game here.

> The word censorship has so many meanings that I have to ask what you mean by it before I can say whether I see it that way. Perhaps its one of those things that are hard to define. [1] But that doesn't mean clear cases don't exist. > Is it censorship that the rules of chess say you can't poke someone's queen off the board? We're trying to play a particular game here. No, but it is clearly political censorship if yo…

> political faction

I remember some words that succinctly express something I often observe. To paraphrase:

> Left-wing and Right-wing are terms which make a lot of people falsely believe that they disagree with each other.

It is worth trying to find common ground with people “on the other side”.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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It’s about 4.5 seconds for me https://imgur.com/a/qege0O9

Any DNS resolver libraries have a 4.5 second timeout? Maybe their infrastructure is just rotting.

It'd be weird that it's limited to specific outbound domains in that case.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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I can confirm. NYT shows a five-second redirect delay: "wget https://t.co/4fs609qwWt ". It redirects to gov.uk immediately: "wget https://t.co/iigzas6QBx "

Oddly enough the delay is reduced to 1 second by using curl's useragent string (wget --user-agent='curl/8.2.1' https://t.co/4fs609qwWt )

Seeing this makes me wonder if it's some sort of server-side header bidding ad server gone haywire, rather than something nefarious. Why would they only delay browser agents otherwise?

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Test yourself, they link to their site from their profile and it's definitely delayed. https://twitter.com/nytimes

A good test might include a bunch of domains. And checking the timing on each. Could we demonstrate the delay is on t.co and not on NYT?

I went through my own Twitter feed, and found 10 non-NYT links. All redirected almost immediately through t.co via wget, only lagging on the destination sites.

I also tried 5 NYT links. All had a very consistent 5 second delay through wget.

I could do more, but I don't care to. Everyone knows Elon has gone redpill, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's "owning the libs", but there also could be a dozen other reasons Twitter might do something like this (including plenty that are not nefarious). I just don't care to dig more...

Edit: I suppose I could have given the specific URLs, but I don't know if/how much t.co links leak info, so I'm not keen to do that. But the delay is absolutely on t.co and not the destination sites, at least as far as external users are concerned. It's possible that t.co queries the sites first before redirecting, and if e.g. the NYT is throttling their traffic that's what's delaying things. I don't know how to disambiguate that, but it's definitely a theory worth considering...

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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How's archive.is "weird propaganda"?

It isn't banned in comments - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , etc. We probably banned it for submissions because we want original sources at the top level.

> We probably banned it for submissions because we want original sources at the top level.

Then why web.archive.org isn't also banned? [1] And what about things which aren't available from the original source anymore?

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37130420

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word censorship has so many meanings that I have to ask what you mean by it before I can say whether I see it that way. Is it censorship that the rules of chess say you can't poke someone's queen off the board? We're trying to play a particular game here.

> The word censorship has so many meanings that I have to ask what you mean by it before I can say whether I see it that way. Perhaps its one of those things that are hard to define. [1] But that doesn't mean clear cases don't exist. > Is it censorship that the rules of chess say you can't poke someone's queen off the board? We're trying to play a particular game here. No, but it is clearly political censorship if yo…

> censorship if you only apply the unwritten and secret "rules"

I mostly agree. I argued in an article [1] that it's only censorship if the author of the content is not told about the action taken against the content.

These days though, mods and platforms will generally argue that they're being transparent by telling you that it happens. When it happens is another story altogether that is often not shared.

[1] https://www.removednews.com/p/twitters-throttling-of-what-is...

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Net neutrality was repealed in 2018.

And then reinstated again at the state level. It never went away, this just doesn't apply because Twitter isn't an ISP (in that sense).

TIL! Looks like its only some of the states, and that is a good point about Twitter not being an ISP. Twitter is incorporated in Delaware which has not passed state-level net neutrality, so I don't know if it would have mattered anyway.
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