Why not try a Nitter instance. It offers RSS and none of the URLs are shortened with "t.co".
Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains
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#102I'd like to invoke Hanlon's razor here to at least cut down on the potential for over-the-top reactions that can be somewhat embarassing in retrospect:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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#103I can confirm. NYT shows a five-second redirect delay: "wget https://t.co/4fs609qwWt ". It redirects to gov.uk immediately: "wget https://t.co/iigzas6QBx "
Could it just be rotting infrastructure? I.e there is some logic on most visited domains to allow ease of moderation, that logic is read heavy and is now bucking under skew.
Or even like some junior dev removed an index
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, yes, many sites are banned on HN. Others are penalized (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). None of this is secret, though we don't publish the lists themselves. Edit: about 67k sites are banned on HN. Here's a random selection of 10 of them: vodlockertv.com biggboss.org infoocode.com newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com moringajuice.wordpress.com surrogacymumbai.com max…
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That's what "random 10 out of 67k sites" gives you. Your set was cherry-picked, dang's wasn't.
That said, dailykos.com seems to be banned. Happy now?
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
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I came to HN because it seemed to be a place of free dialogue. > It's certainly under no obligation to promote right-wing propaganda and hate. It's certainly under no obligation to promote any propaganda or hate. That's what makes the site great. The HN crowd is not your average layman - it's largely well read and educated people. Why not let them decide what is propaganda and what's not (as opposed to some arbitrary…
> The HN crowd is not your average layman - it's largely well read and educated people. Why not let them decide what is propaganda and what's not (as opposed to some arbitrary authority deciding this)?
That is at best a very naïve take. This is a public forum, not some secret society of like-minded intelligentsia.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a secret if the system does not inform the poster it's been penalized.
What is it if the information is freely available, to anyone asking, for a single domain they are trying to post at that time? It’s not secret, because they’ll be provided an answer if they email the mod team. It’s not free as in open source, because it isn’t available for anyone to download and study in full. So, since it’s not secret, is it public, or private? Since it’s not published in full but any query of LIMIT…
Content moderation systems often hide mod actions from the content author [1]. That's a secret.
The opposite would be to show the author of the content some indicator that it's been removed, and I would call that transparent or disclosed moderation.
Interestingly, your comment first appeared to me as "* * *" with no author [2]. I wonder if that is some kind of ban.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e6BIkKBZpg
[2] https://i.imgur.com/oGnXc6W.png
edit I know you commented again but it's got that "* * *" thing again:
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, yes, many sites are banned on HN. Others are penalized (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). None of this is secret, though we don't publish the lists themselves. Edit: about 67k sites are banned on HN. Here's a random selection of 10 of them: vodlockertv.com biggboss.org infoocode.com newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com moringajuice.wordpress.com surrogacymumbai.com max…
It is a secret if the system does not inform the poster it's been penalized.
There's a lot of user hostile moderation practices that occur on this site, manual and automatic. They're not often, or really at all, discussed. Some of them don't work well, and haven't for as long as they've existed.
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#108Remember when people were excoriating Google AMP for encouraging walled gardens? If true, this seems in so much worse faith than that.
Not worse. They are both as evil as it gets. Typical: take public resource and use it for an exclusive profit. What happened to net neutrality? Could it applied for this case?
Net neutrality has been dead since 2017.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a secret if the system does not inform the poster it's been penalized.
What is it if the information is freely available, to anyone asking, for a single domain they are trying to post at that time? It’s not secret, because they’ll be provided an answer if they email the mod team. It’s not free as in open source, because it isn’t available for anyone to download and study in full. So, since it’s not secret, is it public, or private? Since it’s not published in full but any query of LIMIT…
> Suggestions welcome
"This domain is not allowed on HN" as an error message upon submission.
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#110I can confirm. NYT shows a five-second redirect delay: "wget https://t.co/4fs609qwWt ". It redirects to gov.uk immediately: "wget https://t.co/iigzas6QBx "
Could it just be rotting infrastructure? I.e there is some logic on most visited domains to allow ease of moderation, that logic is read heavy and is now bucking under skew. Or even like some junior dev removed an index
A few years ago I remember their URL shortener on android app directing somewhere that my hostfile adblocker would catch (like an analytics domain or something). This made it so first click on certain twitter links would fail, but if I clicked it again it would go successfully. Ultimately I never researched it deeply enough but my guess is they had some sort of handler that would log whether loading their analytics service failed and serve up the direct link on the second attempt.