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Re: Google marked https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/ as unsafe

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Post by Avamander »

Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #12
asu_thomas wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no way to get an incorrect flag lifted in anything like an acceptable timeframe Define "acceptable timeframe"

1 picosecond is the acceptable time frame for google to block my connections to someone's server. I don't need their permission to visit. It is why I turned off the feature the first time I got a red screen in 2010 or thereabouts.

Yet there are many more users that actually get protected from actual phishing thanks to Safe Browsing. A microscopic false positive rate does not a bad tool make.

Re: Google marked https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/ as unsafe

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Post by spacebanana7 »

duped wrote: post #15
retrac wrote: post #14

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Not a lawyer and not legal advice, but isn't labelling something malware -- that isn't malware -- libel? I'm wondering if you could sue them for defamation.

Yea, the remedy for this isn't an email to support. It's a letter to their legal from your legal.

Many big tech companies also have government relations teams who I suspect have the internal power to get issues like this fixed.

Re: Google marked https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/ as unsafe

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

pevey wrote: post #16
midenginedcoupe wrote: post #4

This bot's behaviour made me drop all Google products. A few years ago it marked my company's entire domain as unsafe without any reason. Any human would have been able to tell the flag was incorrect, but "algorithm says no". There is no team in Google to escalate to, no team managing this service, and no way to get an incorrect flag lifted in anything like an acceptable timeframe. In the meantime, Gmail just silentl…

I'm not saying this is acceptable in any way... But there IS something you can try to get resolved fairly quickly if it ever happens again. Be sure to claim domain ownership in the Google search console. If there is a flag of some sort, it will show up there. And you can address it there. I worked for a financial services company where this happened. The public-facing .com domain was set up first, before I got there.…

what number do you call to speak to a human at Google to help when this doesn't work "fairly quickly"?

obviously the biggest issue described in the above post is the lack of humans in the loop

Re: Google marked https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/ as unsafe

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

Avamander wrote: post #21
Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1 picosecond is the acceptable time frame for google to block my connections to someone's server. I don't need their permission to visit. It is why I turned off the feature the first time I got a red screen in 2010 or thereabouts.

Yet there are many more users that actually get protected from actual phishing thanks to Safe Browsing. A microscopic false positive rate does not a bad tool make.

yet there are nonetheless many people harmed by the service, an issue unresolved by any amount of unrelated goodness

>A [low] false positive rate does not a bad tool make.

It does, if your tool fails to address the issue of false positives to the satisfaction of the people you harm with them, and especially if it fails to provide a quick, easy, direct line to humans, to deal with false positives

obviously it's not acceptable to screw people over and justify it by saying "we're not screwing over everybody, and look, we're doing good stuff, too!”

if you can't resolve the negative externalities of your service to the satisfaction of the people you're harming with them, don't roll out the service

Re: Google marked https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/ as unsafe

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Post by jjulius »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #25

old.r... isn't a thing. https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/15pxt76/why_ha... works great, with the old look. Just set preferences!

> old.r... isn't a thing.

... yes it is. It's still up and running at the moment.

Re: Google marked https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/ as unsafe

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

jjulius wrote: post #26
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #25

old.r... isn't a thing. https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/15pxt76/why_ha... works great, with the old look. Just set preferences!

> old.r... isn't a thing. ... yes it is. It's still up and running at the moment.

no, point is, you don't need it. www. works with preference settings, old UI in all its glory.

Re: Google marked https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/ as unsafe

#28

Post by jjulius »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #27
jjulius wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> old.r... isn't a thing. ... yes it is. It's still up and running at the moment.

no, point is, you don't need it. www. works with preference settings, old UI in all its glory.

That's different from "isn't a thing", because the thing definitely still exists. Plenty of people, myself included, don't have an account and absolutely find old.r useful whenever we feel the need to use Reddit. I'd be careful to assume that everyone uses something the exact same way that you use that thing.

Re: Google marked https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/ as unsafe

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Post by feerceKitteh »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #27
jjulius wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> old.r... isn't a thing. ... yes it is. It's still up and running at the moment.

no, point is, you don't need it. www. works with preference settings, old UI in all its glory.

Guess which method doesn’t require an account.

Re: Google marked https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/ as unsafe

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Post by Timon3 »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #27
jjulius wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> old.r... isn't a thing. ... yes it is. It's still up and running at the moment.

no, point is, you don't need it. www. works with preference settings, old UI in all its glory.

Back when I still used Reddit, it conveniently kept forgetting this setting. old.reddit.com on the other hand never failed.
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