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Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by whynotminot »

exodust wrote: post #253
whynotminot wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not some ads. It’s like 90% of ads. Whenever I use someone else’s account or am not logged in I’m shocked by how ad filled YouTube is. Easily my most automatic subscription and worth every penny. The creators typically have one 30 second spot where they often do a humorous riff. Not that big a deal.

Sounds like you value youtube premium because of what it doesn't show more than what it does. Google: "Pay the monthly fee to avoid getting slapped in the face with a wet fish." You: "worth every penny!"

What? We’re talking about the ads so that’s what I’m talking about here.

Sometimes this site is obnoxious.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by Justsignedup »

bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #67

I love VSCode, I use Google Workspace for my domain, run a Mac and an iPhone (and use iCloud), a Surface Go 2 with Linux (quite workable), I host on all sorts of stuff. Uncritically associating "trust" with a brand is a mistake. Microsoft are no more on the side of the angels than anyone else (and are very clearly on the other side in some of the legal positions they stake out, such as their amicus brief in support o…

I just find it crazy. When I started my career and Balmer was ceo of ms, ms was the big bad. Don't trust anything ms releases because they'll use it to screw you over. Doc format? Evil. Xml format? Evil. Etc. Google, Google has your back.

Today ms is the underdog in the digital world. Google is looking to take away every last bit of your privacy and use it against you. And they will kill anything they release in a year or two.

In any case...

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by tim333 »

Justsignedup wrote: post #263
bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #67

I love VSCode, I use Google Workspace for my domain, run a Mac and an iPhone (and use iCloud), a Surface Go 2 with Linux (quite workable), I host on all sorts of stuff. Uncritically associating "trust" with a brand is a mistake. Microsoft are no more on the side of the angels than anyone else (and are very clearly on the other side in some of the legal positions they stake out, such as their amicus brief in support o…

I just find it crazy. When I started my career and Balmer was ceo of ms, ms was the big bad. Don't trust anything ms releases because they'll use it to screw you over. Doc format? Evil. Xml format? Evil. Etc. Google, Google has your back. Today ms is the underdog in the digital world. Google is looking to take away every last bit of your privacy and use it against you. And they will kill anything they release in a ye…

The people running these things turn over. Individual people don't change much but stick a new CEO in and it's another roll of the dice.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by jrm4 »

londons_explore wrote: post #92
derefr wrote: post #72

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Indexing and fingerprinting your browser history locally in Chrome, to generate a set of demographic and special-interest identifier tags, that are then attached to your Google account; where the special-interests are used by Google Ads to personalize the ad auctions, and the demos are used by Google Ads to price your CPMs.

Most people don't want to see ads... But if they do see ads, they don't really care how it is decided which ones to show... Phase of the moon, random numbers, or the third word of every email in my gmail account are all equally fine in my eyes. However, I do care about what other uses my data might be used for. Therefore, googles solution of using all my private data, but with the opensource code running on my machin…

Did you ask everybody before you came to that conclusion that they don't really care?

This is the biggest problem. If it's not a big deal, fine -- explain this clearly to everyone how it all works.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by jrm4 »

formerly_proven wrote: post #23
saiya-jin wrote: post #19

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From my personal and limited view I agree. But to be honest, I don't trust neither, at all, probably forever. MS actively destroyed 1 decent thing I liked about them, their OS. First they tried to make it better and actually succeeded over the years (anybody who went from Windows 95/98 into 2000/XP and realized MS can actually make stable usable modern OS would probably agree, 7 was their best OS for me). And then th…

All of these companies are obviously totally untrustworthy and anyone trying to convince you otherwise is either incredibly naive, stupid or has an ulterior motive.

"Totally" is just unhelpful.

They all have ideas and incentives and motives, and the world hasn't yet collapsed. Yes, watch them carefully, but, e.g. I don't think the world is improved if we just annihilate Google and Microsoft.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bemusedthrow75 »

Justsignedup wrote: post #263
bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #67

I love VSCode, I use Google Workspace for my domain, run a Mac and an iPhone (and use iCloud), a Surface Go 2 with Linux (quite workable), I host on all sorts of stuff. Uncritically associating "trust" with a brand is a mistake. Microsoft are no more on the side of the angels than anyone else (and are very clearly on the other side in some of the legal positions they stake out, such as their amicus brief in support o…

I just find it crazy. When I started my career and Balmer was ceo of ms, ms was the big bad. Don't trust anything ms releases because they'll use it to screw you over. Doc format? Evil. Xml format? Evil. Etc. Google, Google has your back. Today ms is the underdog in the digital world. Google is looking to take away every last bit of your privacy and use it against you. And they will kill anything they release in a ye…

Everyone has been that demon at one point or other (even Apple -- the "look and feel" lawsuits that are a bit before your time).

I was thinking the other day about how sure I was that MySQL was toast as soon as Oracle acquired Berkeley DB and InnoDB, and then how sure I was it would be hobbled when they acquired Sun and got the whole shebang.

What happened, actually, is that MySQL got better and better, with only a few annoying Oracley missteps along the way (permissions structure changes in a minor release for example).

But what matters in that story is that Oracle vs (big bad) Google was substantially decided for Google, despite what Oracle (and Microsoft) wanted. Because it limits Oracle's power to use the MySQL APIs against competitors in the same way as it limits their ability to use them against Java competitors.

This is what I mean: these are big competing interests. We are small interchangeable customers and consumers. It's worth avoiding investing belief in any of them.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bastardoperator »

rectang wrote: post #254
bastardoperator wrote: post #235

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OSS people complaining about licenses while simultaneously ignoring the license they granted Github is peak irony. I'm totally fine with it, it's why I do it, I don't need accolades and I'm not straddling a user with legal agreements, that's not freedom in my mind.

GitHub only has the FOSS license because the TOS applies only to the owner of the repo, but contributors to the code in the repo are not required to agree to the TOS. None of the popular FOSS licenses except CC0 grant rights which allow LLM training — they all require attribution at least and the copyleft licenses require reciprocity (when the copied code is substantial enough for the license to apply).

Wrong, you cannot commit to github without first agreeing to the TOS. Every user does it. Y'all are gonna get beat up in court and I think it's going to be hilarious.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by rectang »

bastardoperator wrote: post #268
rectang wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub only has the FOSS license because the TOS applies only to the owner of the repo, but contributors to the code in the repo are not required to agree to the TOS. None of the popular FOSS licenses except CC0 grant rights which allow LLM training — they all require attribution at least and the copyleft licenses require reciprocity (when the copied code is substantial enough for the license to apply).

Wrong, you cannot commit to github without first agreeing to the TOS. Every user does it. Y'all are gonna get beat up in court and I think it's going to be hilarious.

> Wrong, you cannot commit to github without first agreeing to the TOS. Every user does it.

The point is that there are repositories on Github that contain commits from non-Github-users. For example, not every single commit to the Linux kernel has been made by a Github user, but there is a mirror at https://github.com/torvalds/linux .

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by pb7 »

exodust wrote: post #258
pb7 wrote: post #145

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YouTube Premium exists and there are still masses of people that refuse to pay for it despite hating ads. You’re in the minority.

> refuse to pay Interesting way to put it. Almost like refusing to pay the local thugs for "protection", and seeing the consequences of not paying get worse every year. Google increased ads on youtube to the point where it's now ugly and excessive. This doesn't make premium more valuable in its own right. It makes avoiding premium more uncomfortable, which is a lot different than your implication that people refuse o…

Just because you got something for free at the start doesn't mean it will stay that way. Other platforms like Netflix, HBO, Hulu, etc keep increasing prices year after year, even creating paid ad-supported tiers, and since most people pay YouTube by watching ads, ads are increasing commensurately too. Where's the confusion? The "refusal" refers to there being options where you don't have to see ads. I don't get to watch Netflix for free with ads; how is that better?
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