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Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by Kaytaro »

yankcrime wrote: post #147
Kaytaro wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to point out that SUSE has never made their source code as available as Red Hat, even after the changes that caused all the drama. The only way to get SLES source code is to sign up for a 90-day evaluation or request it by mail, whereas signing up for a free Red Hat account gives you full access indefinitely. Yet they accuse Red Hat of hurting the open source community by...operating the same way they've alw…

This isn't true, it's publicly available at https://sources.suse.com i.e https://sources.suse.com/SUSE:SLE-15-SP5:GA/

Interesting, it looks like based on internet archives that was quietly published shortly after the Centos announcements in 2021. Considering this was a reactionary step it doesn’t give me much faith that they’d react any differently from Red Hat if they were losing SLES customers to another corporations fork.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

lproven wrote: post #155
lemper wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to be actually honest and without any speck of trolling, I am at the opposite. I am actually planning to build a workstation and get a redhat enterprise workstation license. the only problem, though, they only have annual subscription. what I want is: one off license (just like windows desktop) and supporting a business entity's ongoing effort to curate and improve Linux ecosystem. why not donating a certain amount o…

Leaving aside any question of "why?", you miss the core point here. > they only have annual subscription You are not buying the software. You cannot buy the software. All you can buy is a support subscription. That is what RH sells, not software.

https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-wor...

  > SELF-SUPPORT (1 YEAR)
  > Does not include Red Hat customer support.
  > Starting at US$179
https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-ser...

  > SELF-SUPPORT (1 YEAR)
  > Does not include Red Hat customer support.
  > Total US$349

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by loph »

SahAssar wrote: post #85
loph wrote: post #67

Simply put, I'm not using anything with 0racle's name on it. Free software from 0racle? There are gonna be strings attached... to lawyers.

Are you tying to make 0racle the new Micro$oft/M$? Whats the zero supposed to represent?

My contempt is so great I will not even type their name.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by the_why_of_y »

jasoneckert wrote: post #115

I remember when Sun Microsystems and AT&T teamed up in the late 1980s and Sun announced the next version of their OS would be based on SysV UNIX instead of BSD UNIX. Since Sun was this massive force in the UNIX market back then, other UNIX vendors formed the Open Software Foundation (OSF) in protest. In many ways, Red Hat and IBM are the modern Sun Microsystems and AT&T, so it's not surprising that their competitors…

> their competitors are essentially doing the same thing.

OSF was developing an operating system[1] based on Mach, a file system from IBM, and BSD's IP stack, that intentionally had very little in common with AT&T UNIX.

OpenELA is trying to create a carbon copy of their competitor's product, guided by the slogan "bug-for-bug compatible".

These reactions couldn't be further apart.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSF/1

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by the_why_of_y »

jzb wrote: post #120
pygar wrote: post #86

Probably a dumb question, as I'm not really on the enterprise side of Linux but: Isn't Canonical in the same business as Red Hat? Why doesn't Canonical seem to care about alleged "freeloaders"? Come to think of it, why is SUSE considered as a serious replacement for RHEL and not Ubuntu?

Canonical recently introduced a “Pro” subscription - I’m not sure how sources are available from that. There really aren’t rebuilders for Ubuntu in the same way, and Canonical has a very different place in the industry. I think there was a thing a few years ago about Canonical going after some of the distros based on Ubuntu, but I think that was over pointing directly to Canonical’s repos (rather than hosting their o…

I got the impression that sources are not available to the general public.

See for example this security update, the versions back to 20.04 have links to launchpad, the older versions have no link but say "Available with Ubuntu Pro".

https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-6239-1

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by the_why_of_y »

rurban wrote: post #163
inemesitaffia wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these features available out of the box or exclusive to Oracle?

dTrace is Oracle exclusive, as no one else bothered. Ubuntu has live kernel patching also, but with a different technology. And it's called different.

Ubuntu ships the live patching that was developed by SUSE and Red Hat.

After Oracle acquired the company that developed ksplice and took the technology private, SUSE started to develop kGraft[1] and Red Hat started to develop kpatch[2], and these were eventually merged and upstreamed[3] into Linux.

[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/596854/ [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/597407/ [3] https://lwn.net/Articles/619390/

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by lproven »

davidw wrote: post #170
lproven wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first version of Ubuntu was 4.10 "Warty Warthog" in October 2004. I used Warty myself. But while Debian was around in 1997, Ubuntu was not.

That's correct. Ubuntu branched off of Debian at a certain point.

You miss my point.

You can't have been using Ubuntu in 1997 because it didn't exist yet.

I also would add a question:

Debian in 1997 did not have automatic package dependency resolution yet, AIUI, because this was before APT.

So, what made Debian worth using before APT?

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by lproven »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #172
lproven wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaving aside any question of "why?", you miss the core point here. > they only have annual subscription You are not buying the software. You cannot buy the software. All you can buy is a support subscription. That is what RH sells, not software.

https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-wor... > SELF-SUPPORT (1 YEAR) > Does not include Red Hat customer support. > Starting at US$179 https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-ser... > SELF-SUPPORT (1 YEAR) > Does not include Red Hat customer support. > Total US$349

Don't be disingenuous.

There is more to the sub than getting someone on the phone.

Updates are probably the #1 thing.

Secondly, "support" means things like "access to full documentation" and "access to source code".

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by gertrunde »

rascul wrote: post #73
hrrsn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can sign up for the developer license and install it on up to 16 machines, after that you need to pay

> up to 16 machines Does that include virtual machines?

From their faq page [1]:

"The Red Hat Developer Subscription for Individuals is a single subscription, which allows the user to install Red Hat Enterprise Linux on a maximum of 16 systems, physical or virtual, regardless of system facts and size."

[1] https://developers.redhat.com/articles/faqs-no-cost-red-hat-...

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