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Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by slowhadoken »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #141
slowhadoken wrote: post #82

Does it matter if it’s fair use if the copyright law can’t be enforced on a person by person basis?

> Does it matter if it’s fair use if the copyright law can’t be enforced on a person by person basis? You mean, "hasn't yet been enforced on a person by person basis". If history has proven anything, it is that the government and their corporate masters will do everything they can to expand their powers by passing new laws and enacting new regulations so that they can extract every dollar they can.

If history has proven anything it's that any lock that can be made can be broken.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by GhostWhisperer »

mdaniel wrote: post #109
GhostWhisperer wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

brew install yt-dlp alias vget=yt-dlp alias aget='vget --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 --audio-quality 4' # https://opencollective.com/homebrew # https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/Collaborators.md#collaborators

> --audio-format mp3 Of course, up to you, but most youtube videos are actually an AAC (m4a) codec and thus by asking for mp3 you're going to get a transcoding ffmpeg subprocess in between the bytes and the file in your directory. I would be stunned if whatever your ultimate consuming player is doesn't support aac/m4a/mp4 playback $ yt-dlp -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k... 139 m4a audio only 2 | 1.47MiB 49k htt…

just sideloaded with m4a and it works

thanks for the tip

    function sideload() {
      mv $1 "$HOME/Library/Mobile Documents/iCloud~co~supertop~castro/Documents/Sideloads/"
      echo "Sideloaded $1 to Castro; should be available soon."
    }

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by EchoReflection »

I make no claims as to the presence of malware (or lack thereof) in the links in this comment, and I'm not condoning or endorsing anything, nor am I stating an opinion on the ethics of downloading YouTube videos for any purpose, but for the sake of adding information to the table, there are still options available:

https://newpipe.en.softonic.com/android/download?utm_source=...

and,

https://yt3-music-downloader.en.softonic.com/android https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/

and: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-...

And I'm sure many others. I guess as long as the situation is such that it is not stupidly easy to figure out how to get around the restrictions that "prevent" downloading YT videos, workarounds and options will continue to be available. Information is very hard to lock away if it is on the internet and available to the public to some degree. I imagine he situation is considerably different in more totalitarian countries like China and North Korea, where content and online activity is scrutinized/monitored by the government more "thoroughly".

It seems hard to find a line in the sense that recording technology is becoming more and more common, as is the trend of social media companies wanting the masses to "share" their experiences on social media. Hypothetically, if I record a concert with Snapchat spectacles and then upload the snap to YouTube, am I committing some kind of copyright infringement or am I simply sharing an experience with my "followers"? I have actually had videos of concerts that I recorded on my phone taken down from YouTube, even though it wasn't like I recorded with a professional camera or even that the recording sounded particularly good, but I guess some content management stoolies on YouTube (and I imagine Vimeo and maybe LBRY/Odysee/elsewhere) are paid to try to take down content that appears to be bypassing the creators' ability to collect money for their material.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by 3cats-in-a-coat »

Well "it should be" implies we have no leverage to implement this and we're merely daydreaming about alternate universes.

Catching someone in an inconsistency is not a path to winning anything in business and politics. They don't care if they're consistent.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by oefnak »

jeffparsons wrote: post #167
Illotus wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would basically guarantee that regulators would inevitably separate either Youtube or Chrome from Google.

I'd love to believe this, but said regulators don't seem particularly energetic these days.

In the EU they are. Soon, chat apps are required to be able to connect to each other, thanks to the EU. Telegram Signal WhatsApp

Freedom for the people instead of companies! That's why I prefer the EU over the US.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by dotancohen »

mcpackieh wrote: post #154
ReactiveJelly wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still buy CDs from time to time. Sturdier than vinyls, no copy protection, harder to accidentally delete than a downloaded MP3 or Vorbis. So I have a few precious albums that (until the plastic degrades or my home burns?) I'll always have.

> CDs ... Sturdier than vinyls Are they really though? It's my impression that even mass produced pressed CDs have a reputation for rotting on the order of 20-30 years. Vinyl lasts a century or more if you don't physically abuse it. CDs are certainly easier to rip though, so probably still worth it.

Compact discs generally do not wear on use, vinyl does.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by verisimi »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #119
verisimi wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why Section 1201(a)(2) needs to be struct from the law Perhaps it is becoming clearer that the law is an ass, written to serve special interests, and nothing to do with some sort of expression of morality or right and wrong. And that is all it has ever been. For myself, I cannot conceive of the hybris required in writing down a set of words that I would then expect others to follow. Imagine doing this at a…

If what you wrote is true, you should have a good answer to this: What special interest is served by laws against murder? One's "heart" is at least as exploitable as a democratic law system.

Great question.

In the case where someone kills another (murder is a legal term) and the cases of many other 'crimes' eg stealing, abusing children, etc, these are immoral acts. One's heart knows this. In general, what people refer to as 'common law' is more or less in line with morality - I don't object to that so much.

Now, if you wanted to impose a legal system (an external authority of morality) that doesn't cover these cases, you will fail - people will not accept it's authority and will see it for what it is. The legal system has to encompass these overt, actually immoral cases as bait, in order for the individual to swallow the hook. But, the legal system is not determining right or wrong, it is merely echoing what you already know.

Things like intellectual property rights, speed limits, licensing, tax, etc, are the hook. They are nothing to do with right or wrong. They are merely cash machines for the entities that write the legislation. They could be right, had entered into a contract, where government provided such-and-such a service with explicit agreement. But no one ever did..

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by anticensor »

oefnak wrote: post #175
jeffparsons wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to believe this, but said regulators don't seem particularly energetic these days.

In the EU they are. Soon, chat apps are required to be able to connect to each other, thanks to the EU. Telegram Signal WhatsApp Freedom for the people instead of companies! That's why I prefer the EU over the US.

> Telegram Signal WhatsApp

More like Telegram (non E2EE modes)DiscordGuilded and SignalTelegram (E2EE modes)WhatsApp.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by rocqua »

Sparkyte wrote: post #161
kmeisthax wrote: post #8

The problem is that whether or not downloading a YouTube video can be fair use, the RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool. 17 USC 1201(a)(2) does not care about your fair use, it only cares about keeping copying tools off the market. To bring this back into the home recording of radio, it'd be as if Congress decided to ban the sale of tape decks that could record radio transmissions…

I didn't think either was fair use. I think fair use applies to the utilization not the acquisition of. For example if I bought a movie and I used it with the intention to discuss it with clips, I can recode it because I physically own the medium. The fair use chimes in when the clips are in use. However when I download something with a tool from Google (YouTube) I'm violating their ToS. I might also be violating som…

Fair use applies to neither acquisition or utilization. It applies to publication. Copyright only starts to matter when you (re)-publish a work.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by simonh »

bippihippi1 wrote: post #163
jojobas wrote: post #147

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I'd say at this point youtube has so much more market capture than any non-chrome browser, they probably could just say "get Chrome or gtfo" and not even notice the audience dip.

even 1% of a billion dollars is a lot of money

$10 million? That's maybe 20 developers for a year, including costs of employment, office space, IT services, etc. Less that 1% of Youtube's employees. Chump change.
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