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Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by porkbeer »

ec109685 wrote: post #69
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I selfhost https://github.com/alexta69/metube I have it sitting on a URL and I have an iOS share shortcut to throw any URL at it and it downloads the video. Copy-paste from my ansible setup if you're interested, shouldn't be that hard to convert to docker-compose. - name: Build metube options separately, avoids inline JSON in metube setup ansible.builtin.set_fact: metube_ytdl_options: postprocessors: - key: FFmpegEmb…

With YouTube premium being so convenient, it seems like the need to rip YouTube videos would have gone down. This does look pretty slick though.

How does that protect agains videos being taken down?

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by kmeisthax »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #86
akira2501 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool "(3) As used in this subsection— (A) to “circumvent a technological measure” means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and (B) a technological measure “effectively controls access to a wo…

I am startled, and also glad, that record labels haven't put the screws to youtube enough to get them to implement widevine for music videos on youtube. Probably unworkable for the time being.

The problem is that if they implement Widevine they also need to license FairPlay, PlayReady, and Adobe's DRM schemes as well. Otherwise YouTube is effectively Chrome-exclusive.

The reason why EME didn't lead to a catastrophic downfall of freedom on the Web is purely a function of DRM being expensive to license. Netflix can afford it but not YouTube, and YouTube creators generally don't want it[0].

Related note: if YouTube starts putting DRM on videos then every creator that's ever used Kevin Macleod music is now violating the Creative Commons anti-DRM clause. YouTube actually added a feature to mark your video as CC-BY or CC-BY-SA, so they'd be at least marginally aware of this clause, so they'd have to at least make DRM opt-in.

[0] To be clear, this is moreso that what YouTubers are actually worried about is reuploading content back to YouTube and monetizing it. They don't care so much if you have a stream-ripped copy on your computer that you just watch on your own. But things like Content ID actually work way better for preventing reuploading.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by kmeisthax »

kristopolous wrote: post #84
kmeisthax wrote: post #8

The problem is that whether or not downloading a YouTube video can be fair use, the RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool. 17 USC 1201(a)(2) does not care about your fair use, it only cares about keeping copying tools off the market. To bring this back into the home recording of radio, it'd be as if Congress decided to ban the sale of tape decks that could record radio transmissions…

Am I the only one that finds it hard to engage with the RIAA as good faith actors? It feels similar to patent trolls whose business strategy is simply to leverage the court by exploiting poorly executed legislation.

No, they're not good faith actors, far from it. However, the sorts of bad faith actions they engage in are not violations of the law. "Implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing" is a provision of contract law, not copyright law.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by kmeisthax »

indymike wrote: post #30
kmeisthax wrote: post #8

The problem is that whether or not downloading a YouTube video can be fair use, the RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool. 17 USC 1201(a)(2) does not care about your fair use, it only cares about keeping copying tools off the market. To bring this back into the home recording of radio, it'd be as if Congress decided to ban the sale of tape decks that could record radio transmissions…

> youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool Wait until they find out that Microsoft has been providing tools like COPY and XCOPY with their OS for decades...

COPY and XCOPY cannot copy a copy protected program.

The Amiga's X-COPY, on the other hand...

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by Modified3019 »

ComposedPattern wrote: post #95
extraduder_ire wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am startled, and also glad, that record labels haven't put the screws to youtube enough to get them to implement widevine for music videos on youtube. Probably unworkable for the time being.

I'm currently feeling the need to back up youtube videos that are important to me, because I figure it will be much harder soon.

They definitely will be, now that google is looking to more proactively enforce ads.

But the biggest danger is that videos and channels can get removed by any, all, or no reason.

-Copyright middlemen/parasites

-Trolls

-Shifts in what’s politically or advertiser acceptable (see: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/14ddlng/unalived/)

-Massive data loss (see myspace)

-And especially the capricious whims of the channel owner.

A few years ago I realized an old playlist of mine was basically swiss cheese due to how many videos had been removed.

If you value it, save it now, because it will be gone sooner than you are prepared for.

There are many ways to handle automated saving of channels, including some gui frontends, but offhand the one I use and modify is: https://github.com/TheFrenchGhosty/TheFrenchGhostys-Ultimate...

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by verisimi »

kmeisthax wrote: post #8

The problem is that whether or not downloading a YouTube video can be fair use, the RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool. 17 USC 1201(a)(2) does not care about your fair use, it only cares about keeping copying tools off the market. To bring this back into the home recording of radio, it'd be as if Congress decided to ban the sale of tape decks that could record radio transmissions…

> This is why Section 1201(a)(2) needs to be struct from the law

Perhaps it is becoming clearer that the law is an ass, written to serve special interests, and nothing to do with some sort of expression of morality or right and wrong. And that is all it has ever been.

For myself, I cannot conceive of the hybris required in writing down a set of words that I would then expect others to follow. Imagine doing this at a family gathering! (I'm not talking about writing a guide or means to help others learn/improve themselves by their own choice.)

The very idea of law is a false one, imo. Who has the moral high ground, who can relay that in writing to others? Is it not actually a subterfuge to allow others to do harm and yet call it good?

Basically, one needs to find one's heart, and follow that. The law is a merely another control structure.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by mdaniel »

GhostWhisperer wrote: post #20
hiccuphippo wrote: post #11

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I'll gladly pay a % of what I pay to download yt-dl

brew install yt-dlp alias vget=yt-dlp alias aget='vget --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 --audio-quality 4' # https://opencollective.com/homebrew # https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/Collaborators.md#collaborators

> --audio-format mp3

Of course, up to you, but most youtube videos are actually an AAC (m4a) codec and thus by asking for mp3 you're going to get a transcoding ffmpeg subprocess in between the bytes and the file in your directory. I would be stunned if whatever your ultimate consuming player is doesn't support aac/m4a/mp4 playback

    $ yt-dlp -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...
    139 m4a   audio only      2 |     1.47MiB   49k https | audio only          mp4a.40.5   49k 22k low, IOS, m4a_dash
    140 m4a   audio only      2 |     3.90MiB  129k https | audio only          mp4a.40.2  129k 44k medium, IOS, m4a_dash
    249 webm  audio only      2 |     1.54MiB   51k https | audio only          opus        51k 48k low, ANDR, webm_dash
    250 webm  audio only      2 |     2.02MiB   67k https | audio only          opus        67k 48k low, ANDR, webm_dash
    251 webm  audio only      2 |     3.95MiB  131k https | audio only          opus       131k 48k medium, ANDR, webm_dash
    599 m4a   audio only      2 |   950.46KiB   31k https | audio only          mp4a.40.5   31k 22k ultralow, ANDR, m4a_dash
    600 webm  audio only      2 |     1.06MiB   35k https | audio only          opus        35k 48k ultralow, ANDR, webm_dash

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by yieldcrv »

kmeisthax wrote: post #8

The problem is that whether or not downloading a YouTube video can be fair use, the RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool. 17 USC 1201(a)(2) does not care about your fair use, it only cares about keeping copying tools off the market. To bring this back into the home recording of radio, it'd be as if Congress decided to ban the sale of tape decks that could record radio transmissions…

time to upload the source and compilation instructions on ipfs
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