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Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by kmeisthax »

jameshart wrote: post #40
kmeisthax wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1201(a)(2) prohibits selling tools that are either... - Only capable of breaking copy protection - Have minimal commercial utility other than to break copy protection - Are advertised as being able to break copy protection If you sold someone an aux cord with the marketing slogan "Copy music off Spotify and stop paying for your subscription", that'd violate 1201(a)(2) because of that third prong[0]. There's also plen…

Surprising then that Apple launched iTunes with the ‘rip. mix. burn.’ slogan in 2000 right after the DMCA was introduced.

If you think that's crazy, a year prior Steve Jobs went up on stage at MacWorld and showed off a PlayStation emulator[0]. Today Apple has been extremely adamant in trying to kill off companies emulating iOS, specifically citing DMCA 1201 as some sort of right to not be emulated.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectix_Virtual_Game_Station

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

cookiengineer wrote: post #55
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool How is it circumventing copy protection? IIRC videos on Youtube aren't DRMed. What protection method do they claim is being circumvented exactly?

Youtube is using base64 "encryption" * and the reason the court decided in favor of youtube in the youtube-dl case was exactly this reason. The court thinks that base64 is a legitimate way to establish copyright protection online. Yeah, not kidding you. The lawyers are this stupid. Honestly I think the law is broken, because it is designed by people not capable of doing technological decisions, for technologically re…

They base64 encode the video files? Why? That doesn’t do anything except increase the bandwidth needed.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by blowski »

lucubratory wrote: post #51
doublepg23 wrote: post #36

It feels very human that we have a nearly post-scarcity delivery mechanism that we still optimize for rent seeking.

We'd been around for two million years without anything like this. Rent seeking is a very modern invention in the lifetime of the human species, let alone establishing it over non-scarce ideas. It's very bourgeois, not very human.

I’m not sure it’s so modern. Every tollgate in the ancient world was effectively rent-seeking. Even in prehistoric societies, it seems there were protection rackets and shamans with “monopoly access” to the gods.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

fortran77 wrote: post #32

I didn't think recording a song from the radio was "fair use" either.

It doesn't fall under fair use. It's otherwise protected, though, most likely by the Audio Home Recording Act: https://www.songtrust.com/music-publishing-glossary/glossary....

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by cookiengineer »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #62
cookiengineer wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube is using base64 "encryption" * and the reason the court decided in favor of youtube in the youtube-dl case was exactly this reason. The court thinks that base64 is a legitimate way to establish copyright protection online. Yeah, not kidding you. The lawyers are this stupid. Honestly I think the law is broken, because it is designed by people not capable of doing technological decisions, for technologically re…

They base64 encode the video files? Why? That doesn’t do anything except increase the bandwidth needed.

It's not the video files but the m3u playlist iirc that is base64 encoded and contains the urls+tokens for all the chunks of the videostream

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by dataflow »

cookiengineer wrote: post #55
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool How is it circumventing copy protection? IIRC videos on Youtube aren't DRMed. What protection method do they claim is being circumvented exactly?

Youtube is using base64 "encryption" * and the reason the court decided in favor of youtube in the youtube-dl case was exactly this reason. The court thinks that base64 is a legitimate way to establish copyright protection online. Yeah, not kidding you. The lawyers are this stupid. Honestly I think the law is broken, because it is designed by people not capable of doing technological decisions, for technologically re…

> Youtube is using base64 "encryption" * and the reason the court decided in favor of youtube in the youtube-dl case was exactly this reason. [...] The lawyers are this stupid.

The law has other things listed beside encryption. Did they really call this "encryption" as you're claiming (citation?) or did it fall under another bucket?

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by schrodinger »

cookiengineer wrote: post #55
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool How is it circumventing copy protection? IIRC videos on Youtube aren't DRMed. What protection method do they claim is being circumvented exactly?

Youtube is using base64 "encryption" * and the reason the court decided in favor of youtube in the youtube-dl case was exactly this reason. The court thinks that base64 is a legitimate way to establish copyright protection online. Yeah, not kidding you. The lawyers are this stupid. Honestly I think the law is broken, because it is designed by people not capable of doing technological decisions, for technologically re…

I feel like it doesn’t make a difference how good the “encryption” is, it displays intent that you wouldn’t like your data downloaded. Just like an open door to your house vs a really easy to pick locked door makes a big difference.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by Dylan16807 »

deltree7 wrote: post #9

The hypocrisy of download defenders is exposed when re-distribution is the concern. Most content producers and publishers are fine with downloading as long as you don't re-distribute (which is theft), but we have no way of preventing that, so they are forced to close the download gate

> so they are forced to close the download gate

They don't get to do that.

Also what's the hypocrisy?

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by ec109685 »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #22
throw99ii wrote: post #3

streamable.com just removed a random video of mine for “community guidelines” I use the site to save random Twitter and Youtube videos. They aren’t publicly shared. Kind of disheartening to see a random video removed without knowing which one. And all for paying $108/year for a simple convenience. Definitely downloading all of them and canceling.

I selfhost https://github.com/alexta69/metube I have it sitting on a URL and I have an iOS share shortcut to throw any URL at it and it downloads the video. Copy-paste from my ansible setup if you're interested, shouldn't be that hard to convert to docker-compose. - name: Build metube options separately, avoids inline JSON in metube setup ansible.builtin.set_fact: metube_ytdl_options: postprocessors: - key: FFmpegEmb…

With YouTube premium being so convenient, it seems like the need to rip YouTube videos would have gone down.

This does look pretty slick though.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by actionfromafar »

px43 wrote: post #42
jameshart wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprising then that Apple launched iTunes with the ‘rip. mix. burn.’ slogan in 2000 right after the DMCA was introduced.

There was no copy protection being bypassed in that era, and ripping CDs was just a normal thing that people did to listen to music on their computer without having to worry about scratch discs etc.

Apple had copy protection.
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