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Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by LtWorf »

satvikpendem wrote: post #232
LtWorf wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly doubt your research was so perfect, since it seems it wasn't even peer reviewed and published, so that conveniently nobody can point out methodology flaws.

I never said it was some peer reviewed study, just that we did it for our team to figure out how to lay out the UX, that doesn't mean it's not statistically and methodologically valid. It seems you are also trying to project your biases on top of my comment so as to question any sort of research that we conducted.

Yeah because it doesn't really match with the state of the art.

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by satvikpendem »

LtWorf wrote: post #261
satvikpendem wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said it was some peer reviewed study, just that we did it for our team to figure out how to lay out the UX, that doesn't mean it's not statistically and methodologically valid. It seems you are also trying to project your biases on top of my comment so as to question any sort of research that we conducted.

Yeah because it doesn't really match with the state of the art.

What is the state of the art then? Where are your peer reviewed studies on this topic?

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by LtWorf »

paulmd wrote: post #251
LtWorf wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because people who don't go online need BIGGER phones? For what?

Objectively he’s right and there’s a reason the iPhone mini was discontinued. The demand for mini phones is niche but very loud online. It isn’t economical to support a mainstream product for the handful of people who are actually willing to pay for that specific niche feature point. Kinda like headphone ports and microSD slots on android phones. Are there models that do this? Yes! Is anyone willing to pay more for i…

People want a small phone, but perhaps not if it costs like 6 phones? How is this hard to understand?

> Is anyone willing to pay more for it? No!

Is anyone willing to pick a phone over another (despite what paulmd's opinion might be)? YES.

> There do exist smaller android phones as well

No they don't. There is NOTHING on the market currently that is sized and priced like a samsung S5 mini today.

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by paulmd »

LtWorf wrote: post #263
paulmd wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Objectively he’s right and there’s a reason the iPhone mini was discontinued. The demand for mini phones is niche but very loud online. It isn’t economical to support a mainstream product for the handful of people who are actually willing to pay for that specific niche feature point. Kinda like headphone ports and microSD slots on android phones. Are there models that do this? Yes! Is anyone willing to pay more for i…

People want a small phone, but perhaps not if it costs like 6 phones? How is this hard to understand? > Is anyone willing to pay more for it? No! Is anyone willing to pick a phone over another (despite what paulmd's opinion might be)? YES. > There do exist smaller android phones as well No they don't. There is NOTHING on the market currently that is sized and priced like a samsung S5 mini today.

> People want a small phone, but perhaps not if it costs like 6 phones? How is this hard to understand?

iphone mini wasn't priced like 6 phones, and it still didn't sell well. again, you can't seem to grapple with the reality here that what you want is a very niche thing and it doesn't sell well as a mass-market product regardless of price. that is, after all, why apple stopped making that size once again.

the iphone SE is about as small as the market wants. Below that is the domain of mini phones - which do exist, but mostly from smaller android vendors.

> No they don't. There is NOTHING on the market currently that is sized and priced like a samsung S5 mini today.

s5 mini: 131.1 x 64.8 x 9.1 mm

cubot pocket 3: 133.2 x 55 x 12.3mm

unihertz jelly pro: 92.4 × 43 × 13 mm

just with literally a few minutes of searching.

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by paulmd »

paulmd wrote: post #252
brailsafe wrote: post #131

I wish I could upgrade from my 13" mbp that's the last of the intel i5 series. My 16" M1 Max that I was issued at my last job was a dream, and now that I'm playing with SwiftUI and dealing with xcode, it's feeling slow and noisy. Unfortunately I was laid off, so no M1, and the ram upgrade to the 64gb or 96gb is insultingly expensive still. As nice as it is, it isn't a $4k boost in productivity.

B+H has been periodically running deals on the loaded M1 Max 10C/32C 64GB/4TB for $3000-3200. https://slickdeals.net/f/16807523-apple-macbook-pro-16-2-lap... M1 Max doesn’t get the HDMI 2.1 port (although you can coerce some cablematters adapters to do it), or the Wi-Fi 6E, and the M2 Max is generally faster especially in gpu (at the cost of higher power - perf/w doesn’t change much) but in general it’s not worth pay…

(to be specific: M1 Max has HDMI 2.1 (including things like HDMI Org VRR afaik) but it's limited to 4K60. M2 gets 4K120 and some other features. As always, examine each device for the feature support you care about, because HDMI 2.1 completely supplants the HDMI 2.0 standard and no HDMI 2.0 certs are being issued anymore, so, "HDMI 2.1" devices can range between 4K120/8K support with 10-bit deep color, and 4K60 support with 8 bit support and no VRR or any other features. Each individual feature is treated separately, a HDMI 2.1 receiver could support 4K120 but not 4K, and so on.)

And of course, this might not be the best time to be spending even $3k. But it doesn't have to be $5K for a fully loaded M2 or $4k for a decently loaded one. $3k gets you a lot of laptop too, just not the M2 right now.

Refurb is another option... you can do a 64GB/1TB with the M1 Max 24c GPU (vs 32c) for $2550 via refurb store if you can get the edu or mil/veteran discount. Personally for another $500 I think the 4TB and the nicer GPU would be worth it but again, it edges the cost down quite a bit.

Woot also has been carrying "manufacturer-refurbished" M1 Pro/Max for pretty good deals recently. IIRC the 16GB/512GB is $1550, and you can get 32GB/1TB for around $2100. And because it's manufacturer-recertified (Apple) it's eligible for applecare.

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by LtWorf »

paulmd wrote: post #264
LtWorf wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People want a small phone, but perhaps not if it costs like 6 phones? How is this hard to understand? > Is anyone willing to pay more for it? No! Is anyone willing to pick a phone over another (despite what paulmd's opinion might be)? YES. > There do exist smaller android phones as well No they don't. There is NOTHING on the market currently that is sized and priced like a samsung S5 mini today.

> People want a small phone, but perhaps not if it costs like 6 phones? How is this hard to understand? iphone mini wasn't priced like 6 phones, and it still didn't sell well. again, you can't seem to grapple with the reality here that what you want is a very niche thing and it doesn't sell well as a mass-market product regardless of price . that is, after all, why apple stopped making that size once again. the iphon…

> iphone mini wasn't priced like 6 phones

Still costs 4x than regular android phones.

> you can't seem to grapple with the reality

You can't seem to grapple with the reality that 839€ for a phone is completely insane, and not everybody is a rich spoiled person like you.

> unihertz jelly pro: 92.4 × 43 × 13 mm

Funny… I am returning a unihertz because of software issues (default google apps just crashing)… sure it's small… but I implied that stuff must work.

> just with literally a few minutes of searching.

Too bad that being rich and spoiled didn't enrich your brain uh?

I hope it's ok for you that unlike you, I knew what I was talking about.

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by SamuelAdams »

bombcar wrote: post #205
j-a-a-p wrote: post #89

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Interesting, this results in a fully functional desktop version? I have a M2 and the hardware is great, but the OS that came with it not so. If I could replace the OS with Ubuntu that would be great. (Windows would also be great, but I have no experience in installing that)

Yes. You wouldn’t replace the OS but you can make UTM full screen and hardly notice it’s not the main os There are attempts to run Linux on the Mac natively but they have limitations. You can also get utilities that abuse Mac OS to make it imitate windows or Linux if you want.

I almost always use my MacBook Pro in clamshell mode attached to a thunderbolt dock for external displays. Right now Ashai Linux does not support thunderbolt, however it is a work in progress.

Does UTM work well with external displays? Preferably in full screen?

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by oarfish »

oars wrote: post #42
hbbio wrote: post #16

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We got it the same day! I coded >100k LoC (the whole core of the OKcontract codebase) solely on that machine, without any external screen. Working flawlessly since day 1.

Out of curiosity, is the poor posture which comes with using a laptop (mainly over extended periods of time) something you actively think about? This is the main reason why although I love my MacBook M1 Air keyboard and screen, I still use an external monitor and keyboard for the majority of my work.

Well, posture can be voluntarily modified, so it doesn't "come with using a laptop".
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