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Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Or just simply vi and it's variants? Far better UX

The world disagrees with you [0] 0: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#section-worked-with-vs...

It’s amazing to me what percentage replied with “Notepad++”.

To be fair, I haven’t tried it in like 15 years…

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Interesting, I still don't, though I acknowledge perhaps Google has the greater capacity for harm; here's why. Over time, Google absolutely has been in a position to abuse data, and to some extent it has done so -- but honestly, if you compare what they COULD do to what they END UP DOING, they're not doing so bad at all. They mostly self-correct relatively nicely. Microsoft, on the other hand, clearly does the bare m…

What could do with your data to make more money that they aren’t? Sure in theory they could be selling access to anyone’s Gmail account to the highest bidder, but that’s going to lose them money by actively driving their customers away. Google may be actively harmful/evil, but they aren’t stupid.

Indexing and fingerprinting your browser history locally in Chrome, to generate a set of demographic and special-interest identifier tags, that are then attached to your Google account; where the special-interests are used by Google Ads to personalize the ad auctions, and the demos are used by Google Ads to price your CPMs.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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What's happening? Google is a company where you are not the customer, you are the product. They have also reached a mature stage where the only thing left to do is squeeze society tightly for short-term gain through psychological manipulation. I trust neither the company nor anyone working there.

I am absolutely Google's customer. I give them money, they give me services. They don't sell ads to me. I even have a phone number I can call.

It doesn't make them magically trustworthy or not.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Terminally online behaviour. Completely unhealthy. None of these companies are going to have a significant impact on your life.

At this point I just believe anything i see written on these platforms is from someone mentally unstable until they prove otherwise.

https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most...

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Times are changin’. All you young whippersnappers wouldn’t believe that back in my day, Microsoft was evil, Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy, and Google was the scrappy upstart who prided themselves on not serving ads and irrelevant fluff on the search results page.

If you go back enough, Microsoft was the scrappy upstart, sort of. They were this small software company loved by most, the creators of Windows and Excel and all that.

The amount of fuckery going on the background never saw the light of day back then. People seemed to be happy with them bundling more and more crap in their products, a move that killed most of their competition.

They haven’t given up on that, to the point where they still bundle up apps that only play nice to each other.

Google may be terrible, I won’t argue otherwise. But Microsoft has and will always try to control the entirety of the stack, from hardware to servers to operating systems to applications, in a way that would make any Apple exec salivate thinking about vertical integration.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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It's wrong to "trust" any company. Use the products that make your life easier, but understand that companies don't care about you. They care about making money.

This. And they should.

In our (mostly) capitalist economy a company not making money will course-correct or fail.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Ehh, I think this is also a bad take. Turn off telemetry, delete ChatGPT conversations, and I like having an LLM for GitHub versus Give us all your personal data and we're sharing it with ad partners, your personal data is our number one product and secondary products are only made to support the first endeavor.

> Turn off telemetry I may be working from old information, but doesn't Windows 10 still have unstoppable, and unauditable, telemetry?

> Unstoppable

Use a PiHole?

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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This is going to be one of those areas where many (but not all) HN + reddit users will need to check their bubble at the door. Both Microsoft and Google are widely trusted brands whether you slice it by consumers, developers, etc.

Its a standard. People trust it to work. That is Very different than trust in the overall ecosystem that is foisted upon them. Ask anyone how much they trust any EULA.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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What's happening? Google is a company where you are not the customer, you are the product. They have also reached a mature stage where the only thing left to do is squeeze society tightly for short-term gain through psychological manipulation. I trust neither the company nor anyone working there.

I think its a bit harsh to condemn all of the people working at google. its one of the few places left that has corners of real work going on. but yeah, I worked there very briefly, and the degree of whitewashing is really stunning

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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The best part is that Microsoft and Google are working together towards the end goal of locking users out of their own machines. Microsoft is really pushing for its trusted OS platform, with a completely locked down kernel, that will grant them full control over what can and cannot be done on the computer. Google is pushing for the same, but in the browser space. Except their Web Integrity effort has no chance of suc…

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