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Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by ftaghn »

skykooler wrote: post #86
fweimer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it have to be a laptop? For desktop systems, there are many more options.

I'm not aware of many fanless desktops outside of specialty systems.

Most are DIY, anything that is low wattage can be turned fanless if you buy some parts and build it yourself. But OP was daft with his answer. As someone who doesn't like the Apple ecosystem and only uses PC, I can only admit defeat when it comes to power efficiency. There is no way you could make a true fanless system run as well as Apple's efficient SOCs. PC parts that are as powerful generate a lot more heat and even with the best fanless cases and radiators there is only so much you can do to dissipate heat.

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by pavon »

throwawaykk4 wrote: post #5

Why help Red Hat at all when they are becoming more like IBM each day?

While Red Hat may have started Fedora, and does draw from it when building RHEL, it is a community-led distribution through and through. At this point boycotting Fedora because you don't want to support Red Hat is about as sensible as boycotting Debian because you don't want to support Canonical.

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by EdwardDiego »

valianteffort wrote: post #15

I have never used Fedora, I use Arch on my desktop and really enjoyed it on my macbook. It's kind of sad the Arch developers didn't want to put more effort into supporting alarm. If Arch is totally dropped by Asahi team it's unlikely I'll continue using linux on my macbook at all. I just have better things to do than manage multiple distros.

I used Fedora on my last laptop, really enjoyed it, it does adopt the bleeding edge quickly though. E.g., the default files filesystem was Btrfs, and no X just Wayland.

But it was really stable, I think I only hit one issue that was fixed within a week or so. Guess it's a benefit of Red Hat's "patch upstream first" philosophy.

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by pxc »

jasoneckert wrote: post #94
pxc wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is inside-out. APFS containers are the partitions, and the APFS volumes live within them. ZFS datasets don't live on the partition table but within a ZFS filesystem. Your link makes this clear as well. (When I tried to go from memory I wrote it out backwards at first, too.)

It's not inside out - a ZFS filesystem lives within each ZFS dataset (including the root one), and the root ZFS dataset can be comprised of other ZFS datasets, each with their own ZFS filesystem and properties (yet have access to all the space available in the root ZFS dataset). For example, if you create a 'data' ZFS dataset that uses some storage device (which will be mounted to /data and contain a ZFS filesystem),…

Ah, I see what you mean now and this makes sense! I was overlooking the root dataset and probably slightly misusing the term 'filesystem' in a way that your usage made clear. What I was calling a 'filesystem' I should have called 'the root dataset'. So both APFS containers and APFS volumes are like ZFS datasets.

Thanks very much for the detailed reply!

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by mazugrin2 »

mazugrin2 wrote: post #105

Sorry. Why would this ever be a thing? I'm so confused.

Oh shite! It turns out it is actually a thing. Asahi is going all in on Fedora. I'm definitely surprised and also now a person who is not at all interested in Asahi Linux anymore. Good luck I guess?????

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by mazugrin2 »

andrewmutz wrote: post #7

Would Asahi linux on an apple laptop be the best Linux laptop experience these days for someone who prioritizes fanlessness? It seems the other ARM option is the ThinkPad X13s, which presumably has lower performance. Anyone have experience running linux on these machines and can compare the experience and hardware compatibility?

I think it depends. For me, fanless is super appealing. However, I have a Dell XPS 13 7390 with a i7-10710U where the fan is at 0 RPM most of the time I use it, and that is super satisfying to me. However, during a big compile, the fan does come on, sometimes it comes on at a high speed. But then, within about 30s to 1 minute, it goes back down to 0 RPM. I'm pretty happy with this, even though I love even more the idea of a computer that didn't even need a fan.

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by blinkingled »

I put it on my M1 MBP for all of 15 minutes before giving up - I did not have high expectations as I am aware it's cutting edge stuff but it wasn't even remotely usable for me as a daily driver - the touchpad was wonky, konsole kept crashing and also anything drawing on the screen was annoyingly slow. Maybe the desktops work better?

Good on them for trying and I don't mean this as a discouragement but realistically I just don't believe there will be a day anytime soon where it works even as good as standard Linux distro on a x86 laptop now a days. After all not even recent Intel Mac Laptops worked well with Linux.

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