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Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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You can find all that information here: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support I will say the the battery life on my Mac Studio sucks - as soon as I unplug it from power, it turns off.

Does the Mac Studio have an internal battery?

A coin cell, presumably for the clock and not much else: https://youtu.be/TYF527DqnwY?t=139

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Doesn't match my experience at all. I love that packages are always up to date. Also, in my experience, having a rolling release cycle leads to significantly fewer issues than having to upgrade everything at once. Using Arch has been a net time saver for me compared to something like Ubuntu where I've wasted a lot of time fighting package upgrade issues and trying to get newer package versions than the distro provide…

In my limited experience, how Arch works out depends on how you're using Linux. If it's your daily driver and you stay on top of updates it's probably going to be fine, but on the other hand if it's a secondary OS on a multiboot system or a VM or something that only gets updated occasionally, chances of things breaking are much higher and something like Fedora might make more sense.

There would definitely be issues with the keyring being outdated which you have to know/search how to work around. And from time to time Arch also requires some manual interventions in the package update process (that are posted on archlinux.org) – you'd have to deal with those all at once if Arch wouldn't have been updated for a very long time. But, other than that, I can't think of other reasons why having a less often used Arch installation would give you trouble.

Then again, I haven't used Arch in such a manner, so you might as well be right.

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Having used Arch heavily in the past, “better things to do” is heavily at odds with “using arch”

Doesn't match my experience at all. I love that packages are always up to date. Also, in my experience, having a rolling release cycle leads to significantly fewer issues than having to upgrade everything at once. Using Arch has been a net time saver for me compared to something like Ubuntu where I've wasted a lot of time fighting package upgrade issues and trying to get newer package versions than the distro provide…

good on you (or anyone) having a clean and efficient process on Arch - but really, this is not the same YMMV for everyone with all software stacks. can someone whose entire worklife came to a halt gradually over weeks on Arch, please add here?

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Doesn't match my experience at all. I love that packages are always up to date. Also, in my experience, having a rolling release cycle leads to significantly fewer issues than having to upgrade everything at once. Using Arch has been a net time saver for me compared to something like Ubuntu where I've wasted a lot of time fighting package upgrade issues and trying to get newer package versions than the distro provide…

In my limited experience, how Arch works out depends on how you're using Linux. If it's your daily driver and you stay on top of updates it's probably going to be fine, but on the other hand if it's a secondary OS on a multiboot system or a VM or something that only gets updated occasionally, chances of things breaking are much higher and something like Fedora might make more sense.

I dug some old computers out of the attic recently. The one that had not been updated since 2021 only took around half an hour to get up to speed, and that was with a metric ton of packages installed.

The other one seemed to have been updated last time in 2015. It didn't even have updated certificates for https, so it couldn't sync the keyring. After trying for a while I just gave up and reinstalled Arch from a USB stick.

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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post #42

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In my limited experience, how Arch works out depends on how you're using Linux. If it's your daily driver and you stay on top of updates it's probably going to be fine, but on the other hand if it's a secondary OS on a multiboot system or a VM or something that only gets updated occasionally, chances of things breaking are much higher and something like Fedora might make more sense.

There would definitely be issues with the keyring being outdated which you have to know/search how to work around. And from time to time Arch also requires some manual interventions in the package update process (that are posted on archlinux.org) – you'd have to deal with those all at once if Arch wouldn't have been updated for a very long time. But, other than that, I can't think of other reasons why having a less o…

I use arch and update sporadically and this hasn't really failed me:

    sudo pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && sudo pacman -Syu
There were two times something went wrong:

- when Arch moved plymouth to their main repos

- when switching from a 1070 to a 4070 I needed to recompile my nvidia drivers

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Would Asahi linux on an apple laptop be the best Linux laptop experience these days for someone who prioritizes fanlessness? It seems the other ARM option is the ThinkPad X13s, which presumably has lower performance. Anyone have experience running linux on these machines and can compare the experience and hardware compatibility?

Does it have to be a laptop? For desktop systems, there are many more options.

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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What does "container" mean in this context? It is used often and it seems to mean partition, but perhaps not exactly. Is this new overloaded APFS terminology?

Here's an explanation with graphics: https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/working-apfs-volume-groups

However, if you've used ZFS, APFS containers are essentially identical to the concept of a ZFS dataset.

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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post #46

Would Asahi linux on an apple laptop be the best Linux laptop experience these days for someone who prioritizes fanlessness? It seems the other ARM option is the ThinkPad X13s, which presumably has lower performance. Anyone have experience running linux on these machines and can compare the experience and hardware compatibility?

Does it have to be a laptop? For desktop systems, there are many more options.

Haha, classic

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having used Arch heavily in the past, “better things to do” is heavily at odds with “using arch”

Doesn't match my experience at all. I love that packages are always up to date. Also, in my experience, having a rolling release cycle leads to significantly fewer issues than having to upgrade everything at once. Using Arch has been a net time saver for me compared to something like Ubuntu where I've wasted a lot of time fighting package upgrade issues and trying to get newer package versions than the distro provide…

These two are not the only two options: the nix model is clearly superior and is not as error prone as each.

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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I have never used Fedora, I use Arch on my desktop and really enjoyed it on my macbook. It's kind of sad the Arch developers didn't want to put more effort into supporting alarm. If Arch is totally dropped by Asahi team it's unlikely I'll continue using linux on my macbook at all. I just have better things to do than manage multiple distros.

As I mentioned in my blog post, I also really like Arch. And I definitely understand the benefits to sticking to a single distro on multiple systems.

But as a long term Fedora user who used Arch as a daily driver for a year and a half because of Asahi, and now just switched back to Fedora because of Asahi, I have a solid appreciation for the benefits that Fedora provides over Arch.

In short, I like Fedora more than Arch (and I really like Arch). Of course, everyone is different, but if you start using Fedora Asahi Remix, there's a good chance you'll put Fedora on everything after a few weeks... just like me, Linus Torvalds, and everyone else who joined the dark side ;-)

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