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Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by jahewson »

Buttons840 wrote: post #29
benreesman wrote: post #13

I started working on social media in 2006. I did it for a big name for most of the 2010s. It can be a good thing, it’s easier to make it a good thing. It’s expensive as hell to make a screen more destructive than narcotics, you need PhDs and server farms and shit for that. The problem is that software companies aren’t “allowed to mature”. Sometimes you tap out the market, you aren’t doing 20% next year without pushin…

How could we remove the temptation to squeeze every last dollar from a company, even if it crushes society in the process? What if the market leader in an industry was taxed such that there was no incentive to make more money than the 2nd or 3rd place company in the market? This would encourage competition, and also remove many of the perverse incentives when a single company is dominant.

I think this just incentivises cartels or elaborate corporate structures.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by amelius »

antran22 wrote: post #31

IMHO, the key thing that we need to do is to teach our kids how to create "things" instead of just "consuming". This is important no matter which era you are in, but the average 15th century kid didn't have that many stuffs laying around for him to just consume. This problem is suddenly in our face now and we are scrambling around to try and keep our children away from the cacophony of information, but the better thi…

> IMHO, the key thing that we need to do is to teach our kids how to create "things" instead of just "consuming". This is important no matter which era you are in

You say it as if kids prefer reading books over building with LEGOs :)

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by flskafdslaf »

lostlogin wrote: post #44
vlod wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you think developers built programs pre google/stack-overflow? i.e. early to late 90's.

It was hard and less people did it.

And now it's easy and we're drowning in endless webby and cloudy cruft.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by flskafdslaf »

jimmytucson wrote: post #4

The part I struggle with is, how do I let my kids program and be creative on the computer without being online when daddy can’t program without an internet connection? How will they develop “street smarts” about being on social media without a social media account? How do I let them have the same positive experiences I had playing games without having the deeply negative ones too (I lost that breastplate that took we…

Let them be creative in ways that don't need a computer? It's not the be-all and end-all.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by flskafdslaf »

version_five wrote: post #47

I have a niece and nephew ~10yo that whenever I see them are just staring at their devices. I don't want that happening to my 1yo son, I don't want him to miss out on normal life stuff either. When do and how do people normally introduce devices to their kids? So far we haven't shown him any technology, other than seeing himself on the screen when we take a selfie.

My oldest is turning 5, and the answer is "not yet". But then neither my wife nor I carry a smartphone.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by bassclari »

jimmytucson wrote: post #4

The part I struggle with is, how do I let my kids program and be creative on the computer without being online when daddy can’t program without an internet connection? How will they develop “street smarts” about being on social media without a social media account? How do I let them have the same positive experiences I had playing games without having the deeply negative ones too (I lost that breastplate that took we…

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Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by flskafdslaf »

antran22 wrote: post #31

IMHO, the key thing that we need to do is to teach our kids how to create "things" instead of just "consuming". This is important no matter which era you are in, but the average 15th century kid didn't have that many stuffs laying around for him to just consume. This problem is suddenly in our face now and we are scrambling around to try and keep our children away from the cacophony of information, but the better thi…

Tablets and smartphones are designed at every level to be devices for consuming (or being consumed by?) content. And if you do want to create things, they are terrible tools for that.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by fragmede »

throwawaykk4 wrote: post #38
prmoustache wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone can program without an internet connection. You just need the local documentation.

Local documentation does not exist anymore, in a practical form. You need the official docs plus countless other resources from other people and for a relevant version of your software. Gone are the days a few books and a computer was all you needed. Your compiler is spilling out some weird message? Go scavenge the interwebs for someone who figured it out or spend your whole weekend in that.

someplace like http://devdocs.io goes real far

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by hluska »

antran22 wrote: post #31

IMHO, the key thing that we need to do is to teach our kids how to create "things" instead of just "consuming". This is important no matter which era you are in, but the average 15th century kid didn't have that many stuffs laying around for him to just consume. This problem is suddenly in our face now and we are scrambling around to try and keep our children away from the cacophony of information, but the better thi…

Great advice!

My seven year old went from doing animations with Scratch to drawing flip books. Now when she consumes media m, it’s usually about getting better at animation.

Needless to say, everyone who knows me in person sees clips of all her animations. And for some reason, it seems like they avoid me…:)

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