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Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by barbariangrunge »

jcutrell wrote: post #5

I don’t think we should look at these people as the paragon of parenting. It’s easy to imagine that every decision they made is some blessed path, but that’s just a halo effect. It’s easy to engage in some magical thinking about Jobs or Gates as if they know something distantly ominous about screens that told them to ban their kids from them, that they kept secret from the public in order to sell the screens. I don’t…

Paragons? You don’t need to be a paragon if you’re creating something you think is bad for kids and then hesitate to give it to your kids

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by gentleman11 »

jimmytucson wrote: post #4

The part I struggle with is, how do I let my kids program and be creative on the computer without being online when daddy can’t program without an internet connection? How will they develop “street smarts” about being on social media without a social media account? How do I let them have the same positive experiences I had playing games without having the deeply negative ones too (I lost that breastplate that took we…

If you let your kids on social media, meta and YouTube is raising your kids, not you, using all the manipulative tricks they have to shape them into consumers and attention addicts, who think these online services are reality, letting them convince them of god knows what

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Post by benreesman »

I started working on social media in 2006. I did it for a big name for most of the 2010s.

It can be a good thing, it’s easier to make it a good thing. It’s expensive as hell to make a screen more destructive than narcotics, you need PhDs and server farms and shit for that.

The problem is that software companies aren’t “allowed to mature”. Sometimes you tap out the market, you aren’t doing 20% next year without pushing the envelope.

Until it’s ok to win in a market and that’s enough, you can’t trust any of this shit.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by soligern »

jimmytucson wrote: post #4

The part I struggle with is, how do I let my kids program and be creative on the computer without being online when daddy can’t program without an internet connection? How will they develop “street smarts” about being on social media without a social media account? How do I let them have the same positive experiences I had playing games without having the deeply negative ones too (I lost that breastplate that took we…

Do they really need to develop street smarts for social media? Most people I know don’t use it or are only consumers.

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Post by raincole »

jimmytucson wrote: post #4

The part I struggle with is, how do I let my kids program and be creative on the computer without being online when daddy can’t program without an internet connection? How will they develop “street smarts” about being on social media without a social media account? How do I let them have the same positive experiences I had playing games without having the deeply negative ones too (I lost that breastplate that took we…

> How will they develop “street smarts” about being on social media without a social media account?

Is it actually a thing tho? I think it's just general critical thinking. No every older person who starts using social media at their 60s becomes a flat-earther.

> How do I let them have the same positive experiences I had playing games without having the deeply negative ones too (I lost that breastplate that took weeks of grinding to get because the Bloodwood forest swallowed my corpse).

I don't think you can. You should definitely keep them from, for example, random pedos trying to find next victims via online games. But loss of in-game items? It's more or less the point of games, isn't it? Teach you to balance risk and reward?

> how do I let my kids program and be creative on the computer without being online when daddy can’t program without an internet connection?

You can program without an internet connection if you try. If someone points a gun at your head and asks you to code a binary search without googling you'll probably find yourself suddenly so smart. (not saying we should do that, especially not to kids)

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Post by retrac »

raincole wrote: post #15
jimmytucson wrote: post #4

The part I struggle with is, how do I let my kids program and be creative on the computer without being online when daddy can’t program without an internet connection? How will they develop “street smarts” about being on social media without a social media account? How do I let them have the same positive experiences I had playing games without having the deeply negative ones too (I lost that breastplate that took we…

> How will they develop “street smarts” about being on social media without a social media account? Is it actually a thing tho? I think it's just general critical thinking. No every older person who starts using social media at their 60s becomes a flat-earther. > How do I let them have the same positive experiences I had playing games without having the deeply negative ones too (I lost that breastplate that took week…

Indeed it's probably good to practice coding without Copilot or Stack Exchange completing all your thoughts for you.

Actually, I would recommend, once in a while, trying to code the traditional way -- with pen and paper. That still has its place with high-level design and when toying around with algorithms. Sometimes it's helpful to strip away all the distractions, and instant-access documentation and compiler feedback are a kind of potential distraction, really. YMMV.

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Post by blackoil »

jimmytucson wrote: post #4

The part I struggle with is, how do I let my kids program and be creative on the computer without being online when daddy can’t program without an internet connection? How will they develop “street smarts” about being on social media without a social media account? How do I let them have the same positive experiences I had playing games without having the deeply negative ones too (I lost that breastplate that took we…

Instead of a complete blockade create an allow list. So Stack Overflow and MDN are allowed but general Internet is not. You can also keep offline copies of books, courses and videos.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Post by blackoil »

gardenhedge wrote: post #16

Did either of these billionaire's do much actual parenting in the same way us non-billionaires do?

You need not spend a lot of time, couple of high-quality hours a day suffice. Considering billionaires have to spend 0 hrs on chores and setup, it should be entirely possible.
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