Is this IBM|RedHat's Elasticsearch vs Opensearch moment?
Interesting observation. I recently watched a documentary about Compaq, and this saga reminds me of a previous time when IBM tried to put the genie back in the bottle with MicroChannel architecture. Let’s see if they fare any better this time
CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association
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Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association
#92Simply put, I'm not using anything with 0racle's name on it. Free software from 0racle? There are gonna be strings attached... to lawyers.
As much as people may hate oracle, they employ significant contributors to the Linux kernel. https://lwn.net/Articles/915435/ Many in very important subsystems. The XFS maintainer (who just recently stepped down from this role) and contributor Darrick Wong works for Oracle. Meanwhile, btrfs is the creation of Chris Mason, who worked there until 2012. Modern filesystems on linux owe a decent debt to Oracle. Good luck…
They cloned RHEL to spite Red Hat for the JBoss acquisition in the mid-2000s.
Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association
#93Simply put, I'm not using anything with 0racle's name on it. Free software from 0racle? There are gonna be strings attached... to lawyers.
Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association
#94Probably a dumb question, as I'm not really on the enterprise side of Linux but: Isn't Canonical in the same business as Red Hat? Why doesn't Canonical seem to care about alleged "freeloaders"? Come to think of it, why is SUSE considered as a serious replacement for RHEL and not Ubuntu?
I don't think there are any corporate entities reselling a rebuilt Ubuntu
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It will provide an open process to access source code that organizations can use to build distributions compatible with RHEL So they're not trying to create something like RHEL but in a way that is committed to being more 'open' somehow. They're still shooting for the bug-for-bug stuff, and still an effort that's parasitic on RHEL in terms of its substantive development. This whole situation sucks.
Seems like an obvious next step is to get enterprise hardware and software vendors to begin certifying on OpenELA in addition to RHEL. OpenELA10 or w/e could stand on its own as a competing enterprise linux standard that everyone is free to build from.
Idk. How is that standing on its own? SUSE already has a perfectly good enterprise Linux distro in SLE. If the point is to have an alternative standard that anyone can build from, why not just use that as the base?
Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association
#96Simply put, I'm not using anything with 0racle's name on it. Free software from 0racle? There are gonna be strings attached... to lawyers.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can sign up for the developer license and install it on up to 16 machines, after that you need to pay
> up to 16 machines Does that include virtual machines?
"The no-cost Red Hat Developer Subscription for Individuals grants the ability to install Red Hat [...] on 16 physical or virtual nodes"
Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association
#98Simply put, I'm not using anything with 0racle's name on it. Free software from 0racle? There are gonna be strings attached... to lawyers.
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This falls under the heading of "technically correct" - in the sense that the limit is high enough for people to make the argument you are, and yet too low for most enterprise use-cases. Worse, the offer could be withdrawn at any time.
If you're enterprise with more than 16 machines, you can and should probably be paying for RHEL. What I'm not understanding is why people need to use RHEL and would resort to free random forks of it, instead of just using CentOS Stream or Fedora that are basically the same thing, actually from RH, and 100% free. RHEL is not that special.
I'm on the fence about that. I wish people were more willing to financially support open-source development, but I've worked with dozens of customers using RHEL over the last 10 years and never seen a single one of them open a support request - on that basis I can see why people feel that the price is too high. When the options are "get gouged" or "be labelled a freeloader", the outcome is pretty obvious.
> just using CentOS Stream or Fedora
I think the rise of free alternatives (Amazon Linux) and a DevOps-style mindset (no patching, just burn it down and redeploy when updates are needed) are exactly what has motivated this squeeze - RHEL is losing relevance in a lot of places, so RH/IBM are left with fewer potential customers and so just end up squeezing them harder.
Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association
#100Simply put, I'm not using anything with 0racle's name on it. Free software from 0racle? There are gonna be strings attached... to lawyers.
How is IBM better than Oracle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_....