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Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Author here. Surprised to see this website made it on to Hacker News

Glad to see some debates on the vocabs listed there:

* Yes, it is very IT oriented.

* Yes, I have been in some academic environment. (but seriously, 文本 is rarely heard in my life!)

* No, it is not supposed to be an exhaustive list of all things wrong nor _the_ correct list.

At the end of day, it is a short list of what I'd like to see it changed and thus I tracked it. We may not all agree on the translations, but I think we can agree on 1/55 is a pretty sad score to have.

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Lastly, feel free to fork and run your copy if you'd like a different set of words / translations to be tracked!

https://github.com/itszero/hasgooglefixedityet

Thanks for my 5 mins fame on HN!

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Honest question, why haven't china moved to a western (?) alphabet based writing? With my ignorant knowledge, it seems crazy that you are using that way of writing today. Using 24 letter combinations vs memorizing 3000 (min) to 20.000 icons! When I was a kid, my best friend was chinese, and we could never do anything on saturdays because he had to go to a school to learn chines, and how to write in chinese was very h…

Not the original commenter, but I live in Singapore where I am surrounded by Chinese characters and several Chinese dialects. The first issue is that there isn't one "Chinese" language. Mandarin is dominant as the official language in China, but even here in SG one can still hear Cantonese, Hokkien, Hakka, and a few other dialects. While these each have unique grammars, the characters for the most part can still be u…

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Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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> Really? Do you really want to translate mega to 百萬 (million) in any context? Would its use as a metric prefix not be a correct context for this?

My point is this site doesn't provide any context. It's very weird to say "mega should be translated to 兆/百萬/超級/巨型" without specifying the context first. A Reddit "megathread" is definitely not a 百萬討論串. *Edit: my word choice was wrong in the parent comment. I meant to say "every context", not "any context".

Ah, I see.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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i am not so sure about the list, I found many are spoken pretty much interchangeably in Taiwan sometimes: 便利店 vs 便利商店, 每秒幀數 vs 每秒影格數(I actually heard more of the former from those youtuber), 高清 vs 高畫質(I actually heard more of the former from those youtuber) etc.

That's another thing we currently struggled with: some of them start seeping into our surroundings.

And part of the reason come from these translation tools, there are many translated materials (website, documentations, etc) produced using tools that do not correctly handle the difference, and those content creators don't really care about that.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Google isn’t using the supposedly highly multi-lingual Bard 2 for their translation service. That should tell you how confident they are in their own AI products

I only ever use ChatGPT for translation now. GPT 4 especially blows everything else out of the water in quality.

I’ve done some insane round-trips through chains of totally unrelated languages and it retained 95% of the meaning. That’s superhuman quality.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_character_classificati...

Thanks! (should have thought abou Wikipedia) Well, I still think Latin alphabet (or the Arabic one, but I don't know it enough to be sure about it) is more optimized / easier to grasp conceptually when you don't know the word. For example one of the compounds illustrated mixes 2 pictographs, but one is used for the meaning and the other for the sound of the final word (the "to wash oneself" example); that doesn't sou…

There are enough radicals that it's reasonably common you can indicate both the likely correct pronunciation and a bit of the meaning with one of them, and radicals can also be compounded/nested (e.g. combine two radicals to make a character, then that character is used as a radical in another character). It's why the standardised vocabulary test, HSK, is so important, because very often more technical or less common characters are built from more common characters that you do know. Sort of like English, where I could tell you that I majored in "lemonadology", and even though that's not a word you've ever seen you would probably have a decent idea how to pronounce it, and that it's probably got something to do with studying lemons, likely in the form of lemonade. This is informed by a cultural context where we both know and understand what "lemonade" is and means, as well as just the knowledge of the "ade" and "ology" suffixes, and the "lemon" noun. The same thing happens with Chinese characters, sort of. Those characters contain a lot of information, they are very much not just tens of thousands of letters. Also, new characters are invented occasionally by people combining previous characters and radicals, although that's less common than in English. And "word" in Chinese can encompass both many individual characters that can be considered words on their own, but also combinations of characters that form a distinct word. Like 老公 means husband, so it's a word, but if you interpreted it as two words you could read it as "old man";no Chinese speaker would do so seriously, it's not ambiguous in its "husband" meaning, but it comes into play when wondering why 老公 is different from 丈夫,which is a different way to say husband with a different cultural context.

For reference, Chinese people think their language is very easy and that English is absurdly hard (for example, that we have an absolutely unnecessary yet mandatory number of ways to indicate tenses and plurality, and if you screw them up we think you're stupid even though there's no legitimate functional use for the differences - to say nothing of the fact that even with simple pluralisation like adding an "s", that's not one sound, that's three distinct sounds that a Chinese person would need to learn). A nationalistic Chinese on Weibo might air the opinion that the Chinese script is more optimised/easier to grasp conceptually when you aren't familiar with the concept than English, where you have to have familiarity with the suffixes and prefixes of two separate non-English languages (one of them dead!) as table stakes, plus a lot of familiarity with French. Of course, this wouldn't be correct, most people don't really understand a new word they come across in that much detail (in English or Chinese), it's just because you're not a speaker of the language and it's in a different script that it seems so hard to you. I promise you, Chinese is not objectively harder than English to learn. Chinese children have the same language development timeline as English and Arabic speakers, and Chinese scientists are very prolific and accomplished. Chinese is just quite difficult to learn for an English speaker.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question, why haven't china moved to a western (?) alphabet based writing? With my ignorant knowledge, it seems crazy that you are using that way of writing today. Using 24 letter combinations vs memorizing 3000 (min) to 20.000 icons! When I was a kid, my best friend was chinese, and we could never do anything on saturdays because he had to go to a school to learn chines, and how to write in chinese was very h…

Chinese writing is not phonetic, while a western alphabet would necessarily be phonetic. One may think that is a disadvantage for Chinese, but since there such a wide variety of spoken Chinese languages, Chinese writing acts as a unifying framework across different spoken languages. This allows a (more or less, ignoring traditional and simplified) common script for one billion people. So a person in Taiwan can reason…

While they use the same script, they are not interchangable. A person from Taiwan would recognize characters in a HK or Japanese newspaper but would not necessarily understands it. A good half would only make sense to someone who speaks Cantonese.

Also, several languages have moved from a script if iconographic characters to phonetic ones: for example Vietnamese and Korean, the former adopting a phonetic western alphabet with accents, and the latter developing a new phonetic script, hangul. Japanese developed two new syllables based scripts, hiragana and katakana, which are mixed with the old word characters (kanji). All these used to use Chinese styles characters prior to the switch.

No reason Chinese couldn't do the same. In fact, it did… pinyin is a formal phonetic alphabet for Mandarin Chinese that's based on the western alphabet with additional marks denoting the tones of the words. It's only hard I'm an educational setting, but you could use it anywhere!

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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post #56

i am not so sure about the list, I found many are spoken pretty much interchangeably in Taiwan sometimes: 便利店 vs 便利商店, 每秒幀數 vs 每秒影格數(I actually heard more of the former from those youtuber), 高清 vs 高畫質(I actually heard more of the former from those youtuber) etc.

That's another thing we currently struggled with: some of them start seeping into our surroundings. And part of the reason come from these translation tools, there are many translated materials (website, documentations, etc) produced using tools that do not correctly handle the difference, and those content creators don't really care about that.

Really curious how people views "cultural pollution" so differently. There are some words/usage we takes directly from japan and no one complains, for example 一枚入, 定食, do we need to change those back to what we would have said before influenced by Japan? What I mean is, culture/language slowly evolves, they aren't stagnant, as long as the world are progressing, as long as we are interacting with each other, language changes.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Please read the rest of the comment. I was assuming that what is called "Traditional Chinese" is used in China, based on its name (Chinese) and that GTranslate outputs it. Urdu and Tamil aren't spoken in China and isn't what GTranslate outputs when you select a Chinese language, afaik

Bear in mind that Taiwan (the country) also calls itself China, and so did the rest of the world until the seventies.

Taiwan absolutely does not call itself China. At best the government that holds sovereignty in Taiwan is called the Republic of China, and yet daily everyone calls the country itself "Taiwan," and in fact even the passports were recently changed to say "Taiwan" in enormous letters to remove any confusion about what the people want. The government would change its name to also be Taiwan, or maybe Republic of Taiwan or something like that, but it can't do so without changing the constitution, which Xi Jinping has threatened to invade immediately if this occurs.

So it's both incorrect and disingenuous to say "Taiwan calls itself China."

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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post #133
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bear in mind that Taiwan (the country) also calls itself China, and so did the rest of the world until the seventies.

What do people living in Taiwan call the 'other' China? Is "mainland China" a correct thing to say, or is the word "main" there implying that Taiwan is lesser and not an equal/peer state? I used the word China in other comments because I didn't know what to call it otherwise, hoping that in the context of Taiwan it is clear what I mean

They call it 中國 "Middle Country," or "Middle State" or "Middle Kingdom," (bear in mind that the meaning 國 "guo" has changed over time) the name for the territory and empires encompassing basically the current territory of the PRC since the Western Zhou dynasty.

Under no circumstances is Taiwan every seriously referred to as "China," not even "Republic of China," the official name in the constitution, is really used anymore. The passports now prominently say "Taiwan," and polling indicates that "Chinese" identity in Taiwan is dying swiftly with the settler colonialist KMT.

The sibling comment may be referring to political discussions between politicians, especially when talking with PRC officials. I'm not sure, I've almost never heard those terms used except by really weird super-KMT taxi drivers.

The parent comment that "Taiwan calls itself China" is simply incorrect, and the government mentioned, in the 70s, was a KMT totalitarian government that's been essentially overthrown as of the 90s.

It's a pointed issue that you'll often find heated responses from because Taiwan, for basically the first time in its history as a globally participant nation, is finally getting to establish its own identity, separate from the Dutch, the Qing, the Japanese, and the ROC/KMT settler-colonialists. There's great fear that the CPC, having failed to win a culture war here with han chauvinism / han supremacy, will simply resort to violence to imperialise the nation.

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