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Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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One funny thing that I found not long ago is that you can traverse a long chain of word translations by re-feeding the translated word. You start with a word let's say in italian, get it translated to spanish. Now you grab that word in spanish and translate back it to italian. You do sometimes a get a different word. You do this again and again. There doesn't seem be a one to one correspondence in certain cases. Don'…

Yes it is well known, but I wouldn't call it an issue per se, but rather a demonstration of the ambiguity of natural language. In any given language, many (most?) words have multiple meanings. Even if one of the underlying meanings of each word in your translation chain is "equivalent" (this could be a deep philosophical discussion of semantics on its own), each word-to-word correspondence for each language-pair has a different most-probable choice in the translation model (especially without context to help disambiguate).

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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One funny thing that I found not long ago is that you can traverse a long chain of word translations by re-feeding the translated word. You start with a word let's say in italian, get it translated to spanish. Now you grab that word in spanish and translate back it to italian. You do sometimes a get a different word. You do this again and again. There doesn't seem be a one to one correspondence in certain cases. Don'…

There used to be a website that would automate this process until either the phrase stabilised, or it reached a maximum number of iterations.

I'm now imagining what Julia sets or Mandlebrot sets of language would look like...

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also do this with translations between Swedish, Danish and English. I find it fascinating that chatGPT is better at translating (a lot better) than a tool specifically built for it, when (if I understand correctly) chatGPT was in no way designed to translate, and is only in some way predicting text, one word at a time. How come google hasn't leveraged better existing tech to make the translations better? Is it too…

The Google translate offline translation datasets are absolutely tiny - like, 20mb in size for French. Obviously this is heavily quantised and so on, but it’s not that surprising that a 30-60+ billion parameter language model outcompetes Google translate handily. I assume you’re right - that Google translate hasn’t been updated to take advantage of much bigger, more computationally complex models. I suppose for direc…

But they could easily be using a larger dataset online?

Which goes two ways: maybe this line of reasoning doesn't mean anything; or well yes exactly, but why so small online when they have all this space and also offer Bard.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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>Google Translate has not been accurately translating into Traditional Chinese (as used in Taiwan) for a while now. A lot of times the translation would sound like how Chinese is used in China instead. Isn't Taiwan a part of China, though? I am not trying to justify Google not caring about Traditional Chinese as used in Taiwan. I am merely commenting as the author's view of China and Taiwan as two different entities…

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Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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i am not so sure about the list, I found many are spoken pretty much interchangeably in Taiwan sometimes: 便利店 vs 便利商店, 每秒幀數 vs 每秒影格數(I actually heard more of the former from those youtuber), 高清 vs 高畫質(I actually heard more of the former from those youtuber) etc.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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That is on the basic assumption those are incorrect and required to be "fixed". What makes you think Google "would" fix it? Facebook has sided with Mainland China during 2019 protest in Hong Kong simply because there are more Chinese working inside Facebook than people from HK. Youtube has sided with mainland China to censor words in Chinese comments simply because the censorship team employ, of course Chinese. Just…

It's incorrect per the language code they're using, zh-tw. They obviously side with the CPC on political issues, but that's a separate issue, they should just change the code to the more accurate "zh-Hant." zh-tw exists to specifically identify Taiwanese Mandarin, which is a defined separate dialect (we really should stop using "Chinese" as a word to describe the various flavors of Mandarin, let alone including entir…

Google does not use a language code in the UI. They describe the language as “Chinese (Traditional)”, which could mean anything.

The URL contains a language code, but that’s just an internal implementation detail.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Taiwanese here. I have a mixed opinion about this site. Some of them are just weird: - mega → 巨型 (百萬) Really? Do you really want to translate mega to 百萬 (million) in every context? *Edit: every, not any - text → 文本 (文字) Seriously? 文本 is the formal, academic way to say it, even in Taiwan. Have this person never been any academic environment? - through → 通過 (透過) Seriously???

Honest question, why haven't china moved to a western (?) alphabet based writing? With my ignorant knowledge, it seems crazy that you are using that way of writing today. Using 24 letter combinations vs memorizing 3000 (min) to 20.000 icons!

When I was a kid, my best friend was chinese, and we could never do anything on saturdays because he had to go to a school to learn chines, and how to write in chinese was very hard and time-consuming.

Do you know? Care to explain?

EDIT: I am not from the US, but from Argentina.

EDIT2: I am talking about the effort to learn how to draw (not only read but draw!) very complex looking 3000 icons vs. the effort of learning 24/26 and some rules. With a western language, by just knowing a few pronunciation rules, you can read any word. At least in Spanish. I am not implying that Chinese are bad, or that the language should die or anything like that.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Taiwanese here. I have a mixed opinion about this site. Some of them are just weird: - mega → 巨型 (百萬) Really? Do you really want to translate mega to 百萬 (million) in every context? *Edit: every, not any - text → 文本 (文字) Seriously? 文本 is the formal, academic way to say it, even in Taiwan. Have this person never been any academic environment? - through → 通過 (透過) Seriously???

I'm a Western who has lived in Taipei for almost three years. I use Google Translate every day of my life. It's helped me book restaurant reservations and talk to my doctor.

I also grew up in Canada, have British parents, and lived in the USA for seven years, so I'm used to switching from "Traditional English" to "Simplified English" too ;-)

I mean, ya, sometimes Google Translate uses Mainland China words (e.g., I just typed Bicycle and it returned 自行車 instead of 腳踏車). But I just tried typing 土豆片 (potato chips) and translating it to "English" and it returned "potato chips" instead of the British "crisps" too. This is not a big deal at all.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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>Google Translate has not been accurately translating into Traditional Chinese (as used in Taiwan) for a while now. A lot of times the translation would sound like how Chinese is used in China instead. Isn't Taiwan a part of China, though? I am not trying to justify Google not caring about Traditional Chinese as used in Taiwan. I am merely commenting as the author's view of China and Taiwan as two different entities…

> Isn't Taiwan a part of China, though?

Given that the Chinese military doesn't control it, the answer it obviously no.

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