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If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

foverzar wrote: post #60
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #9

Don't travel to China.

And miss making a personal impression of a country surrounded by so many myths? Good advice for people scared of their own shadow, bad advice for everyone else. Because honestly: > The typical reasons for the Chinese government imposing an exit ban that prohibits a foreigner from leaving China is for allegedly committing a crime, allegedly owing money to a Chinese company, or being in some other sort of dispute with…

> This is something that I would expect visiting literally any country.

and yet, when another country does it, China retaliates by arresting arbitrary foreign national civilians and holding them for ransom [0]

[0]: https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-canada-china-arrests-...

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by southernplaces7 »

foverzar wrote: post #83
nyokodo wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is something that I would expect visiting literally any country. To an extent, yes. However, context is key as the fairness and/or arbitrariness of those laws and how they are enforced vary wildly between countries. Merely avoiding breaking the law is a lot more difficult in an outright fascist dictatorship surveillance state like China than even the most surveillance happy western nations. So, while you shoul…

The matter of "fairness and/or arbitrariness" is entirely subjectivist. Visiting a foreign culture is always a dance across a minefield if you are careless and don't bother researching how to be a proper guest. For example, experienced tourists from my country visiting the US recommend thoroughly researching the rules and protocol of interacting with the police, including properly managing your body language and bein…

>Is it a fascist police state, or just a different set of expected behavior patterns?

Unequivocally yes, it absolutely is a fascist police state by any definition of the notion, even when compared to other notoriously authoritarian states. Sure, many countries have their flaws and legal quirks, but to claim legal ambiguity about the status of China despite absolute mountains of evidence to the contrary on all kinds of scales is either a case of utter ignorance or flagrant dishonesty.

China is the 21st century's closest example of a pre-genocide Nazi-type state in the sense of it being an economically successful major power with plenty of international influence while blatantly repressing millions of people based on their ethnicity or religious affiliation, while also obliging the rest of its population into a constant state of Gleichschaltung, or roughly, "coordination" as the Nazis called their version of it.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by defrost »

foverzar wrote: post #83
nyokodo wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is something that I would expect visiting literally any country. To an extent, yes. However, context is key as the fairness and/or arbitrariness of those laws and how they are enforced vary wildly between countries. Merely avoiding breaking the law is a lot more difficult in an outright fascist dictatorship surveillance state like China than even the most surveillance happy western nations. So, while you shoul…

The matter of "fairness and/or arbitrariness" is entirely subjectivist. Visiting a foreign culture is always a dance across a minefield if you are careless and don't bother researching how to be a proper guest. For example, experienced tourists from my country visiting the US recommend thoroughly researching the rules and protocol of interacting with the police, including properly managing your body language and bein…

> For example, experienced tourists from my country visiting the US

Australia?

Even for a caucasian woman from a long term ally in both war and security, interactions with trigger happy US police can be fatal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by rado »

Bad things happen everywhere. I've visited a number of times and stayed in multiple cities and it's great. One of the best things is the contrast between fear mongering abroad and the chill situation on the streets. People go out of their way to help you, even authorities bend the rules a little when needed. Iran is even friendlier. Of course, a traveller should always be alert, respectful and stay away from politics.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by tempera »

nyokodo wrote: post #70
foverzar wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Traveling collapse is likely COVID related. They've only recently started processing tourist visas once again, as far as I understand.

> They've only recently started processing tourist visas once again The whole welding people into a building that then burns down is a difficult thing for Tourism Departments to compensate for.

They lost me on anal swabs

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by winrid »

defrost wrote: post #120
winrid wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He should have got the death penalty the first time around according to Chinese law. They were being nice, and the second time they said, fine :)

could have not "should have" - the law in question didn't stipulate either. However, he wasn't sentenced to death the first time. Do you have any comment on the apparent violation of the "no additional sentence for appeal" rule ?

Nope, I don't know anything about that. Was it the same judge?

My understanding is that it's fairly common to get the death penalty for transporting or selling drugs in China. At least, that's what mainland chinese folks tell me.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by refurb »

defrost wrote: post #123
foverzar wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The matter of "fairness and/or arbitrariness" is entirely subjectivist. Visiting a foreign culture is always a dance across a minefield if you are careless and don't bother researching how to be a proper guest. For example, experienced tourists from my country visiting the US recommend thoroughly researching the rules and protocol of interacting with the police, including properly managing your body language and bein…

> For example, experienced tourists from my country visiting the US Australia? Even for a caucasian woman from a long term ally in both war and security, interactions with trigger happy US police can be fatal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond

I'm not sure I'd call a rare occurrence where the US courts are prosecuting the perpetrator anything similar to a state-sanctioned system of oppression.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by refurb »

kanbara wrote: post #51
moomoo11 wrote: post #32

I’ll be honest. As an American (originally from 3rd world country) I have zero intention of traveling internationally. Why would I? I live in the best country in the world. For tech, startups, lifestyle, food (i can eat any cuisine from around the world and access to amazing restaurants), hiking, etc. The last place I'd visit is some authoritarian place.

this sort of attitude is one of the reasons people look at america with disdain. the rest of the world, yes even china, yes even somalia, have culture, history, and knowledge to offer. it’s never appropriate to think one cannot learn from others or try new experiences

OP immigrated from a 3rd world country. They've probably seen way more of the world than most Americans who like to talk about how worldly they are when go see the tourist sites in a place like China.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by defrost »

refurb wrote: post #127
defrost wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, experienced tourists from my country visiting the US Australia? Even for a caucasian woman from a long term ally in both war and security, interactions with trigger happy US police can be fatal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond

I'm not sure I'd call a rare occurrence where the US courts are prosecuting the perpetrator anything similar to a state-sanctioned system of oppression.

Each and every rare occurrence of a US police shooting goes toward the US having the highest per capita police killing stats in the G20.

Compare the per capita deaths at the hands of the police figures for the US against the UK, Australia, France, Germany, Japan, etc.

There's a staggering jump.

Once again the US excels.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by NicoJuicy »

foverzar wrote: post #60
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #9

Don't travel to China.

And miss making a personal impression of a country surrounded by so many myths? Good advice for people scared of their own shadow, bad advice for everyone else. Because honestly: > The typical reasons for the Chinese government imposing an exit ban that prohibits a foreigner from leaving China is for allegedly committing a crime, allegedly owing money to a Chinese company, or being in some other sort of dispute with…

Russians use diplomacy passports for their spies.

It's not ironic that they are being checked extra while they are threatening with nuclear war every week :)

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