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Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by hluska »

qaq wrote: post #128
hluska wrote: post #94

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It’s time for me to leave Ubuntu behind for good. I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole.

Honest question why?

It’s based upon a few things.

Ubuntu has been underwhelming as of late. It’s fine, just underwhelming. Sometimes software becomes underwhelming as it matures but in this case, the hiring process seems designed to ship underwhelming software.

Then there is the particular issue. That kind of thinking/communication style doesn’t make me feel comfortable with Ubuntu (or any project he would have a leadership role in).

And finally, I’m really tired of how our industry seems to glorify jerks.

So we have:

1.) Ubuntu is rather underwhelming.

2.) The hiring process is so fucked that underwhelming software is the most likely result.

3.) There is a lot of competition and I can find projects with vaguely professional/secure leaders.

4.) I run more than enough jerk driven software.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by hluska »

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #344
hluska wrote: post #94

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It’s time for me to leave Ubuntu behind for good. I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole.

he's an asshole because he wants to work with extraordinary people and made fun of george bush?

Read his words.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by hluska »

chc wrote: post #212
rbanffy wrote: post #171

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Unless, of course, you work for that government. Kind of the same one that put people on the Moon, made the atomic bomb, invented the internet, and other things less extraordinary than repackaging Debian ;-) I have talked to him a couple times while working for Canonical and, while I knew his reputation of being a very Steve Jobs person, he was never an asshole with me. And the CEO was a real sweetheart. I'd think tw…

The Bush Administration did not do any of those things. Reading his comments as a dismissal of those things, rather than the guy running the White House when he wrote it, seems uncharitable.

Words like “Bush” or “current administration” do not occur in the article. Rather, it was just a link. You don’t have any particular reason to be this charitable.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

hluska wrote: post #382
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #344

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he's an asshole because he wants to work with extraordinary people and made fun of george bush?

Read his words.

"I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole."

And so I ask again: He's an asshole because he wants to work with extraordinary people and made fun of george W bush?

see, I added the W. now answer.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by darth_avocado »

gen220 wrote: post #264
darth_avocado wrote: post #232

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I recently had the misfortune of trying to find a job in a rough hiring market. I was appalled by what I saw. Very few companies move fast. Here’s what I saw on average for a software engineering role: 1. Excruciatingly long application processes, especially when companies required you to use workday for applying (30mins - 2 hours) 2. 2 weeks to hear back from the recruiter 3. 1-2 weeks to schedule a recruiter call 4…

Did you interview at any startups? This sounds like a standard big-tech run around, but IME most companies that take hiring seriously (i.e. more than "churn management") are not this slow.

I did interview at startups but not <= Series B. After 2 back to back layoffs that just seemed too risky. (The second one was me getting cut literally two weeks into the job) But most startups also have similar timelines, except maybe a faster initial turnaround from application to first technical interview. Very few companies had things streamlined and quick.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by triceratops »

Alupis wrote: post #275
whatshisface wrote: post #262

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Who's a die-hard canonical fan?

Who's a die-hard Mozilla fan? People who love Ubuntu, tend to love Ubuntu. A very long hiring process pretty much ensures the only ones still waiting around are the ones who really want to work at Canonical.

You might be right but gosh, what a terrible way to treat your most faithful supporters.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by xerxesaa »

tribaal wrote: post #274
jandrese wrote: post #198

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Having people source random laptops to help increase compatibility doesn't seem like a terrible idea, but the company definitely should reimburse you for the purchase. I certainly can't blame them for dogfooding their own OS either. Having to buy your laptop out of pocket is stingy to the point that I'd be reconsidering my employment. That's a pure cost-of-doing-business expense that the company should cover.

Well, they do give you a lump sum every 3 years to buy whatever laptop you want with. Personally, I was fine with this: I had a laptop I was already doing open source work with, no reason for me to change (I did open source work with my same laptop, as usual, and got paid for it). Of all the things I could criticize my ex employer about, this isn't one of them frankly. Could they give a lump sum at hiring? Yeah maybe…

I hear they make people share hotel rooms with other employees. Is that true?

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Post by r00fus »

robertlagrant wrote: post #263
0xffff2 wrote: post #259

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It's certainly antagonizing to me, but maybe that's just because I work for the government and like to think that I do extraordinary work.

Hey, don't worry. Everyone who pays taxes works for the government :-)

More like investors... or subscription customers. But not employees.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by microbass »

tristor wrote: post #120
hashtag-til wrote: post #110

(A bit off-topic, but to give another example of where convoluted hiring processes get you to...) Last year, I did 8 interviews (including 4 technical assessments and quizzes) to get an offer from AMD (in Germany) as a software engineer. For completeness, they reached out to me. I wasn't really looking at the time. When I got the offer, salary+bonus was less than what I had at the time (a lot less now) living in a si…

Hardware companies simply don't pay as much as software companies in industry. I don't fully understand the reasons, because hardware is often more difficult to deal with than software. That said, I have found that there has been a rash of companies / recruiters reaching out to relatively senior people making offers that wouldn't have been acceptable a decade ago, much less in 2023. I recently had one reach out to me…

I love your HR comment. It's HR's literal job to interview / hire people. It's not the job of the candidate to interview for a position. Deluded, self-important lunatics.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by peteradio »

hadlock wrote: post #234
thiht wrote: post #142

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> interviewed me while having dinner (on his end) Wtf? Couldn’t he have done that at a more convenient time?

I would imagine he is on the phone 8-12 hours a day when not at the office, and still 4-6 hours a day at the office. Someone at his level, especially as a founder/owner is talking to somebody pretty much at all waking hours, and meals happen during calls unless it's an exceptionally important meeting.

Why would you do that? This sounds literally insane.
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