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Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by rbanffy »

weinzierl wrote: post #164
hluska wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s time for me to leave Ubuntu behind for good. I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole.

C'mon, it was a casual joke and no harm done. Also punching someone weaker is a simple act, but taking on someone stronger requires courage. Does it fit the somewhat quirky (but by far not unusual) interview process? Yes Is it a sign of a moral flaw? No

Unless, of course, you work for that government. Kind of the same one that put people on the Moon, made the atomic bomb, invented the internet, and other things less extraordinary than repackaging Debian ;-)

I have talked to him a couple times while working for Canonical and, while I knew his reputation of being a very Steve Jobs person, he was never an asshole with me. And the CEO was a real sweetheart. I'd think twice if he called me, but wouldn't blink if she did.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by rendall »

mertd wrote: post #108
FlyingSnake wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pardon my ignorance, but what’s MBB?

Apparently it's the big three of management consulting.

I suppose it should not surprise me as much as it does that there are people out there who are in the union set of people who have interviewed at FAANG (i.e. all of them or enough not to refer to them individually) and also interviewed at MBB (ditto). No Jane Street, though? No PEGS? No GSIBs?

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by ghaff »

_zoltan_ wrote: post #168
ghaff wrote: post #157

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Doesn't seem that odd? I imagine he has a pretty busy schedule.

This would be a deal breaker for me. 0 respect.

Because Shuttleworth in particular or because someone at a company took someone out to a meal? The latter seems perfectly normal and I've been in that situation a number of times. Obviously you ought to have the opportunity to eat but having especially a more casual conversation over a meal just doesn't seem odd to me.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by rbanffy »

ghaff wrote: post #173
_zoltan_ wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would be a deal breaker for me. 0 respect.

Because Shuttleworth in particular or because someone at a company took someone out to a meal? The latter seems perfectly normal and I've been in that situation a number of times. Obviously you ought to have the opportunity to eat but having especially a more casual conversation over a meal just doesn't seem odd to me.

Shuttleworth is a very hands-on manager, which is both a blessing, if you like his style, or a curse, if you don't.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by TrackerFF »

Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices.

What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too.

Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and months, and those that do will just say fuck it and look elsewhere.

In our case, the place was a revolving door. ALWAYS hiring, never knowing who they'd hire - and those working there would carry the perpetually understaffed workload.

I can understand a hiring process like this if we're talking about fighter pilots, astronauts, special forces operators, scientists going to antarctica, or whatever. But software engineering? C'mon. Delusions of grandeur.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by Eisenstein »

unpopular42 wrote: post #96

> exactly how unbiased is it when every person I interviewed with was exactly my demographic? (White, female, American/western European) Please could someone explain how is this, claiming that someone's race and ethnicity defines their bias, not in itself racist?

A bias just means looking at things in a skewed way because of experience or mental conditioning.

The fact is that demographics have a lot to do with bias because people from the same demographics have similar life experiences. Having someone else with a different set of experiences can help to mitigate bias by giving their perspective in the group. It is a simplistic way to determine 'tendency towards bias' by focusing on demographics, but it is also a pretty good indicator that when you are in a group of all the same demographic then there is going to be some bias that will go unnoticed.

To answer your question -- the race part is incidental. A 30 year old college educated white male from an urban/suburban US upbringing is more than just 'white'. This is why it is not racist -- because race is one aspect of a demographic.

Hope this helps.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by KptMarchewa »

ghaff wrote: post #173
_zoltan_ wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would be a deal breaker for me. 0 respect.

Because Shuttleworth in particular or because someone at a company took someone out to a meal? The latter seems perfectly normal and I've been in that situation a number of times. Obviously you ought to have the opportunity to eat but having especially a more casual conversation over a meal just doesn't seem odd to me.

> Because Shuttleworth in particular or because someone at a company took someone out to a meal?

It sounds more like situation where he was eating on zoom with mic on, while the second person just talked.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by yuumei »

unpopular42 wrote: post #96

> exactly how unbiased is it when every person I interviewed with was exactly my demographic? (White, female, American/western European) Please could someone explain how is this, claiming that someone's race and ethnicity defines their bias, not in itself racist?

That irked me too. Expecting the company to not be roughly 82% white British.. in the UK. Pretty racist

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by echelon »

re-thc wrote: post #148
thiht wrote: post #142

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> interviewed me while having dinner (on his end) Wtf? Couldn’t he have done that at a more convenient time?

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I'd rather him have the respect to not be doing anything else at all while conducting an interview.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by bdav2418 »

ubermonkey wrote: post #137
hluska wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s time for me to leave Ubuntu behind for good. I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole.

I mean, if Mark wrote that in 2004, he was dunking on an administration that was widely believed to be the worst ever. (Obviously, we had NO idea what was coming.)

> (Obviously, we had NO idea what was coming.)

Yeah, those drone strikes from the Obama administration were pretty bad.

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