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Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by ghujiliooo »

Dalewyn wrote: post #225
waithuh wrote: post #207

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I seriously never get people that love CF (or any company for that matter). Praising 1.1.1.1, giving it free advertising. CF is basically handing over your website in return for some less work on your part. I get the advantages of it (like less engineer credits wasted, less server maintaining work and probably cost, faster) but actively giving it free PR just doesnt fit right with me. Pay your bucks and sit. They are…

>CF is basically handing over your website in return for some less work on your part. The older you get, the more valuable being able to just dump your shit on other people becomes.

Quite the opposite for me. The older I get (42 now) the less patience I have for people who sacrifice freedom for convenience. You're ruining it for my children when you do this.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by LoganDark »

waithuh wrote: post #207
warrenm wrote: post #194

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and someone's come and done it again

I seriously never get people that love CF (or any company for that matter). Praising 1.1.1.1, giving it free advertising. CF is basically handing over your website in return for some less work on your part. I get the advantages of it (like less engineer credits wasted, less server maintaining work and probably cost, faster) but actively giving it free PR just doesnt fit right with me. Pay your bucks and sit. They are…

I don't praise 1.1.1.1 because it's just a DNS server. My firewall's set to redirect all DNS queries there. It works fine. Could've used 8.8.8.8 instead, but I trust CloudFlare slightly more.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by Andrex »

dcow wrote: post #84

So many privacy nuts use Chrome and don't realize this: > What about Google Chrome? > I tried all of the above in Firefox. So I naturally tried to access the same page in Google Chrome to see if I’d still be blocked. Thankfully, I wasn’t. > But of course I wasn’t because Chrome doesn’t have the same privacy- and security-enhancing designs that Firefox does. Chrome will happily collect as much private information abou…

Easy to say don't use Chrome, harder to say don't use Cloudfare.

And if we're taking things to task for monopolizing a market and being a threat to the future of the open internet, I'd say Cloudfare is and will always be a bigger threat.

The moment the Cloudfare dictatorship becomes less benevolent, everyone is gonna feel it.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by ipaddr »

dcow wrote: post #235
ipaddr wrote: post #229

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Why are humans only allowed and shouldn't we be proactive and accept robots as equals now. We have a history of prejudice against groups and we seem clueless that we are heading their again.

Of course I'd agree that if a robot is following the rules and behaving indistinguishably from a human but maybe just a little more quickly, then it shouldn't be pre-judged (and our detection should accommodate). But here we're talking about robots without agency being e.g. used in botnets to abuse services, or otherwise not following the rules.

All clients follow the rules if you enforce them. Break rate limit and get a timeout. Settle your payment before you send the product using bitcoin instead of Visa which is not able to do this.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by warrenm »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #251
warrenm wrote: post #237

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I'm referring to your comment that he quoted - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37050359 Maybe you're misremembering - but you wrote it :)

> I'm referring to your comment that he quoted - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37050359 Maybe you're misremembering - but you wrote it :) 'johnklos' did not quote a single word from anyone in the comment I linked, nor a single word from my original comment you linked, let alone an entire phrase, and that was the only response he made from what I can see. Are you confusing him with a different HN user? You don'…

I have to believe you're attempting (but failing) to gaslight me

you wrote: "it does seem to indicate that IPv6 is mostly pointless for human users for exactly this reason" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37050359)

he wrote: "If you think IPv6 is mostly pointless, I think you're unaware of the fact that a significant majority of phones already use IPv6 most of the time they're on cellular" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37051011)

As you so helpfully put it, "You don't have to believe me, it's accessible to every passing reader right there in the comment chain..." (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37056142)

Feel free to continue to deny what you wrote, how he responded, and me repeatedly showing you where quotes your words if you want - no one stop you from ignoring your own words (eventhough they're right there on display for all) ...but he used your own words in response to your own comment :)

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by warrenm »

sophacles wrote: post #248
warrenm wrote: post #239

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they block and/or slowdown vast swaths of the internet if that's not an "attack", I don't know what is

I don't get it. They offer a service that that people choose to sign up for and take active steps to use. I don't see how that's an attack. Honestly I'm still trying to understand who is being attacked. Like is it an attack on the site owner - are you saying cloudflare is extorting them or something? That seems unlikely but I agree that would be a form of attack... it also doesn't seem to be what you're saying. Is it…

They block and/or slowdown over 20% of the internet

How can you not see that as anything but an "attack"?

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by silisili »

LoganDark wrote: post #202
afavour wrote: post #96

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I’m no Google fanboy but I wasn’t satisfied with this: > Chrome will happily collect as much private information about me and my browsing history and share them with select parties, as needed What information does Chrome provide in this scenario that Firefox doesn’t? It feels like backward logic: it worked in Chrome therefore it must be because Chrome gave extra info. In reality it could be a whole bunch of things, s…

A third browser... like what? Chrome and Firefox are all that exist now, unless you have access to a Mac with Safari.

There are a handful of Webkit based browsers out there, though none that popular except for Safari.

But yes, 3 is all we're left with outside of a few bespoke projects...

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by krono »

jeroenhd wrote: post #114
krono wrote: post #80

The amount of times Cloudflare is making me sit through their 15 to 30 second "checking your connection" page is insane. For people going through life with ADHD such as myself, the impact of all these delays and disruptions throughout the day can be severe. Despite being properly medicated this measure is absolutely debilitating and makes for a dreadful and very taxing online experience.

Cloudflare's Privacy Pass may help here: https://privacypass.github.io/ It should significantly reduce the amount of CAPTCHAs you see in a way that's not terrible for privacy. For Safari, you can enable Private Access Tokens: https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-to-enable-private-access-tok... Both of these mechanisms are similar to Google's web DRM proposal in that they rely on external issuers to generate tokens, but un…

Cloudflare is "helping" more than enough already, but thanks for the suggestions.

Besides, those solutions have far too much in common with blackmail/extortion to my liking. Either you continue to suffer this structural harassment, or hand over all your bits and maybe in specific cases suffer slightly less! :)

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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Post by userbinator »

unmole wrote: post #109
bradley13 wrote: post #78

Anecdote: For my programming classes, one example I use is a simple browser. It doesn't do CSS or Javacript, so display is primitive, but it works. On some sites. Many sites, especially the big ones, see that it's an unknown browser, and refuse to send content. Probably they think it's a bot. But even if it were, what's wrong with bots, as long as they're well-behaved? What kind of closed web have we let the megacorp…

Playing the devil's advocate: Why shouldn't a server get to decide which clients it wants to talk to?

Why shouldn't a store get to decide the $protected_class of which customers it will do business with?
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