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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by ksec »

mrtksn wrote: post #57

Remember the "Safari is the new IE" narrative? Just because Safari doesn't support some API doesn't make it IE, IE wasn't an inferior browser at the beginning either. What made IE the IE everyone hates was its departure from standards(?) and enforcing its own vision of the web thanks to its enormous market share. On IE's case, MS probably stagnated it to prevent competition against its desktop Apps business and on Go…

>But yeah, that's what you get when you don't know history.

The author of that phase, and those that commented on issue at the time admitted they wasn't even programming during IE era. And falsely claim IE era as IE 7.....

Not only that. A lot of people actually quite like IE 5.5. I would even argue IE hate wasn't even because of enforcing its own standard ( Although that is certainly an issue ). It was because they conquered 95+% market share and stop innovating when there were insane amount of low hanging fruit and bugs.

But yeah. Most vocal engineers of today joined the industry in post iPhone era. One reason why Silicon Valley are full of people continue to reinvent the flat tire.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by luckman212 »

lesuorac wrote: post #576
nurple wrote: post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how sites are now taking the mobile strategy of checking first and then showing a sugary popup explaining that they’re about to pop the native prompt for perms, and why. It brings me joy to click affirmative on those so I can permablock by clicking no on the native prompt.

I thought the "Click Yes to notifications to prove you're not a computer" was one of the more amusing traps.

Oh my, that's pure evil.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by BrendanEich »

fsflover wrote: post #146
jadamson wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Near enough everyone here knows that. Are you even aware that Chromium is open source and Brendan Eich has said Brave won't be supporting WEI? https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304 Baby, bathwater, etc.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36983812

That's a link, all right, but it doesn't refute your correspondent here.

Chromium forked Blink from WebKit, which was forked by Apple from KHTML. We have a fork (or spork: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1687485972164837377). We could cope if Google were to repudiate Chromium (and violate the FOSS licenses on the sources).

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by rjmunro »

tux1968 wrote: post #521
rjmunro wrote: post #381

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"can be as easy as restarting the browser" That is nothing like "convenient profile switching".

> That is nothing like "convenient profile switching". It takes a few seconds on my machine, and has the same result as switching profiles. But I accept your situation may be different, and would be interested to know what you see as its deficiencies.

I've not Firefox for a while, and never used multiple profiles, but in Chrome, I just click my face at the top right, choose work profile from the dropdown and I get a work profile window alongside my personal profile window that I still keep open. Or I can right click a link from my personal profile and choose "open link as -> work". Incognito windows are like a special profile that gets deleted when you close the window.

Are you saying that in Firefox you have to exit the entire browser to do the same thing?

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by dralley »

collinmanderson wrote: post #566
sph wrote: post #142

What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

I've been trying out Firefox on MacOS this week. Been using Chrome since ~2009, Firefox before that. Here are some annoyances so far: - No download bar to show actual downloads (downloaded files are hidden under a menu icon) - No built-in page translate - Search: is in bottom left rather than top-right which is pretty standard in most UIs. - Search: would be nice if "Highlight All" were on by default (though it's cau…

>- No built-in page translate

It's an extension, look up Firefox Translate. It's even local-only. Or Google Translate for better results but less privacy.

This is the sort of thing that other people might consider "bloat"

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by kmlx »

kvrck wrote: post #181
kmlx wrote: post #175

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i’ve been a happy safari user (desktop and mobile) for years now.

What adblock do you use with Safari? Last time I've tried, I couldn't find one and returned back to Firefox.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wipr/id1030595027

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by mthoms »

SgtBaker wrote: post #596
mthoms wrote: post #582

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that move was bad, it had zero to do with privacy.

Just eroding user trust. Which is the basis of privacy

You explicitly said that move was a "privacy scam".

Now you're backtracking to "just eroding trust". There's quite a gap there.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by SgtBaker »

mthoms wrote: post #598
SgtBaker wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just eroding user trust. Which is the basis of privacy

You explicitly said that move was a "privacy scam". Now you're backtracking to "just eroding trust". There's quite a gap there.

Learn to read. I said Brave was privacy scam. The whole company. Not just that move.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by tux1968 »

rjmunro wrote: post #594
tux1968 wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is nothing like "convenient profile switching". It takes a few seconds on my machine, and has the same result as switching profiles. But I accept your situation may be different, and would be interested to know what you see as its deficiencies.

I've not Firefox for a while, and never used multiple profiles, but in Chrome, I just click my face at the top right, choose work profile from the dropdown and I get a work profile window alongside my personal profile window that I still keep open. Or I can right click a link from my personal profile and choose "open link as -> work". Incognito windows are like a special profile that gets deleted when you close the w…

> Are you saying that in Firefox you have to exit the entire browser to do the same thing?

If you look at the comment to which I was responding, the poster wanted his history and BOOKMARKS replaced when switching profiles. What you're talking about are containers, that do not replace your bookmarks (for example). For what you're talking about, there is no need to restart Firefox.

If what you want to do is have a completely different browser, with separate bookmarks and other settings, then you can start another instance, with a separate profile. It is very easy and takes a few seconds at most. And in fact, there is no need to shut down other profiles if you want more than one open at a time, so you can maintain all your current state when doing so.

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