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Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by serf »

mighmi wrote: post #62
throwawaysleep wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life matters not there. Not in war. Not in peace. Not in travel. Not in home. Most Western countries obsess about proventing deaths. The USA does as well, except among poor people and gun victims.

> The USA does as well, except among poor people and gun victims. I suggest you look at the actual causes of death in the US: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db456.htm#secti... Considering typical health outcomes in the US, obesity and the life choices people make, I don't think you can honestly say the US obsesses about preventing deaths. Of course, improved health care access and personal health wouldn…

>US car death rate is significantly higher than Europe or elsewhere, very preventable with more stringent driving tests and lower blood alcohol level allowances.

if you think that's the key difference between driving in Europe versus the United States then i'm not sure what to tell you.

Distances are longer, traffic is denser, speed limits (in general) are higher, and the ability to drive from one place to another is more valuable given the lack of public transportation options, so there is a larger onus to drive even if you consider yourself unskilled or lesser-abled.

there is more to it than drunk driving and poor training regiments. furthermore drunk driving is an extraordinarily bad metric to compare countries given the varying BAC regulations throughout the world. Drunk driving in one place may very well be legal in another.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by Waterluvian »

thrway63245 wrote: post #100
bri3d wrote: post #28

I'm curious the actual mechanics of this operation. The main primary-source I found is a Telegram post of an Aeroflot pilot memo [0], but this only discusses the side-effects of reverser only braking, not the mechanics of "disabling the brakes." There is a possibility the brakes are still available and not worn through, and this is a preemptive measure to leave enough brake material to handle an emergency rejected ta…

Thank you for that link. In case anyone else is wondering, this is a Telegram chat with actual pilots in it. There is currently a lot of cursing in that thread about stupid sensational news on the topic, along with an actual explanation. Aeroflot is disabling 1 out of 4 brakes, not all 4. Nobody is actually trying to stop a plane with just reverse thrusters.

This feels like “it’s not as bad as it seems. Only three rooms are currently on fire, not twelve.”

…They’re disabling brakes?

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by moomoo11 »

I get that this isn't in USA but this is why I just zoom.

Flying is such a unnecessary hassle, I don't really want to go somewhere dealing with airport shenanigans and nightmares. I'm not rich enough to fly private.

Besides, flying has basically become like taking a public transit bus. It is unclean and passengers can be unruly (experienced an incident where person had to be arrested and removed from plane - drunk guy threw up in the aisle, etc.). I have flown 300k plus miles, and I'm done unless its an emergency.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by steveBK123 »

_fat_santa wrote: post #154

While I agree that we should be sanctioning Russia, I think a carve-out should be made for things like commercial aviation parts. Eventually there will be an accident as a result of parts that can't be replaced, we don't need more lives lost to this war.

Russians could stop flying to take vacation in occupied Crimea beachfront instead

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by Dalewyn »

Waterluvian wrote: post #172
thrway63245 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for that link. In case anyone else is wondering, this is a Telegram chat with actual pilots in it. There is currently a lot of cursing in that thread about stupid sensational news on the topic, along with an actual explanation. Aeroflot is disabling 1 out of 4 brakes, not all 4. Nobody is actually trying to stop a plane with just reverse thrusters.

This feels like “it’s not as bad as it seems. Only three rooms are currently on fire, not twelve.” …They’re disabling brakes?

I think the moral here is there is an unhealthy dash of sensationalism and propaganda that must be sifted away, if we actually want to take any worthwhile information out of this.

As the saying goes, the first casualty in war is truth.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by ipv6ipv4 »

anticodon wrote: post #83
woodruffw wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaving out why they're in Amsterdam is a somewhat conspicuous omission: they were forced out of Russia[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moscow_Times#After_2014

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And yet here you are, on a thoroughly Western website, enjoying free speech. Classic.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by nvy »

_fat_santa wrote: post #154

While I agree that we should be sanctioning Russia, I think a carve-out should be made for things like commercial aviation parts. Eventually there will be an accident as a result of parts that can't be replaced, we don't need more lives lost to this war.

>Eventually there will be an accident as a result of parts that can't be replaced, we don't need more lives lost to this war.

Such an accident would solely be the fault of the (well known) piss-poor safety programs in Russia.

They have the option to just, you know, not fly their Boeings and Airbuses. There's no NATO brainwashing machine forcing them.

I can't get myself into a headspace where any amount of mental gymnastics is going to somehow make an airline crash the fault of the sanctions. Can you elaborate on your thought process? I'm genuinely mystified.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by jojobas »

_fat_santa wrote: post #154

While I agree that we should be sanctioning Russia, I think a carve-out should be made for things like commercial aviation parts. Eventually there will be an accident as a result of parts that can't be replaced, we don't need more lives lost to this war.

These planes have been stolen, remember? They were under lease and Russia just said "we're keeping them" because you've all been mean to us.

Supplying them with parts for stolen place is next level of cuckoldry.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by KennyBlanken »

King-Aaron wrote: post #165
supernova87a wrote: post #159

Why would you deactivate the brakes, rather than just tell the pilots "don't use the brakes unless it's absolutely necessary, and use thrust reversers instead"?

Possibly if the pads are at extremely low wear, you would only need to replace the pads/shoes when parts are available. But if you tell pilots 'just don't use them', then they will keep using them, and those pads/shoes could wear through and begin damaging other parts of the callipers which would result in more parts requiring replacement? Not an aircraft mechanic, but just making an assumption based on the similarit…

Just as higher-end cars have brake pad wear sensors and sometimes caliper temperature monitors....commercial passenger jets, especially ones made in the last two decades or so, are instrumented up the ass.

There's a Minimum Equipment List that specifies the minimum stuff a plane needs to be safe to fly, and under what conditions specific equipment can be bypassed or non-functional. I seriously doubt that overworn brake pads can be mitigated or ignored according to the MEL, and a pilot should be sweating bullets signing off to fly a plane that doesn't meet the MEL.

...at least in the modern, developed world. Which Russia is increasingly neither...

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by protocolture »

reacharavindh wrote: post #3

How in the world would any common Russian trust an airplane in this current sanctioned state in Russia and fly in one?! Are people that brainwashed to trust their leader to get on a plane that doesn’t have brakes?!

I mean. Consider the recent issues with the FAA and Boeing. People kept getting on those planes.
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