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Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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Post by tornato7 »

h4kor wrote: post #131
dsco wrote: post #111

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Are there any frameworks/platforms for this?

have you heard of txt files? If you want to proof you didn't temper with the historic data, publish a daily hash in some newspapers.

So you're suggesting that publishing a hash in a newspaper every day is a better solution than a digital ledger? This is peak buttcoiner logic. That actually used to be done [1], because Blockchain are valuable, but not anymore because digital versions are more scalable, efficient, reliable, global, trustless etc. Etc.

1. https://www.newsbtc.com/news/bitcoin/first-instance-of-block...

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Post by landemva »

Ataraxic wrote: post #162
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #150

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Is that the kind of UBI we want though? If it has a single issuer, like the government, then it has a single point of control which can be used to coerce people (i.e. by threatening to take it away). The ideal UBI system would let you threaten to overthrow your government in a way that does not threaten the integrity of UBI. It ought to be a safety net that makes otherwise impractical growth possible. As a crypto, Ci…

> The ideal UBI system would let you threaten to overthrow your government... Crypto Anarchism is not attractive the vast majority of people. I'll argue the UBI people want involves their government sending them a check, direct deposit, or cash.

Since USA still controls it's currency issuance (unlike EU members), why isn't this in place today? Rename food stamps and WIC into newUBI and start rolling it out.

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Post by unboxingelf »

93po wrote: post #262
unboxingelf wrote: post #114

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you forgot the shitcoinery - there is a token, with a premine, unfairly distributed. the VCs that invested (SBF, a16z,etc) will benefit disproportionately. it’s a scam.

There are legitimate reasons to premine, and creating a token with the intention of using it as a channel for UBI (literally giving money away) doesn't really scream "scam" to me considering the people backing it

why should Scam Altcoin control a centralized UBI system?

sounds like a scam to me.

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Post by unboxingelf »

vvpan wrote: post #241
unboxingelf wrote: post #114

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you forgot the shitcoinery - there is a token, with a premine, unfairly distributed. the VCs that invested (SBF, a16z,etc) will benefit disproportionately. it’s a scam.

I cannot argue with bad token, premine - I have not researched but I believe it. "VC coins" in general have these issues it seems. Just trying to say that not every shitcoin is trying to get people to give them their biometrics, that is a separate issue in my opinion.

it’s the worst of both worlds.

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Post by [deleted] »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #267
dragonwriter wrote: post #256

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> If you're denying people access to the system based on where they happen to be, it's not universal. “Universal” seems to be a later construction, it was originally “unconditional”, and in both cases the writings on it for many years under either name made it clear that the reference was principally freedom from means- and behavior-testing, contrary to status-quo welfare programs, but that it would target a populati…

That's fair. The "no borders" crowd was my introduction to the topic, so I guess I'm ignorant of the other side. Is there a book or something you'd recommend?

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Post by landemva »

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #109
littlestymaar wrote: post #77

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You can have UBI at a country level if you finance it with government budget (through taxes)[1], but as a for-profit enterprise, there's no that's a good idea (for it to work at all, it must have a monetization strategy, and they all look dystopian) [1] it actually exist(ed) in France (see RMI/RSA, though the different governments recently added tons of bureaucracy to it as a way to deter people from getting it, ruin…

As soon as the money becomes conditional, it's not UBI. If you have to irrevokably sign up to an organ donor list, it's not UBI. UBI is inherently redistributive. Which I happen to think is immoral.

Do you think USA doing more deficit spending to redistribute USA's munitions to Ukraine is immoral?

Seems like the past 30 years have been ongoing interventionism to shovel money to war makers.

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Post by landemva »

dragonwriter wrote: post #191
pessimizer wrote: post #164

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And you don't need a magic orb to do it. You can do it in the US through the mysterious buildings referred to as "unemployment offices" by changing the signs and opening twice as many. It would also be amazing to use these buildings to match employers and the unemployed, but that's obviously asking far too much of government.

> And you don't need a magic orb to do it. You can do it in the US through the mysterious buildings referred to as "unemployment offices" by changing the signs and opening twice as many. You could do it through the agency known as the IRS by adding a standard refundable credit, you might need a few more employees, but nothing like twice as many.

IRS already implements the child tax credit which pays, so a negative income tax should be straight-forward.

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Post by landemva »

px43 wrote: post #156
kstrauser wrote: post #82

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To the best of my knowledge, the IRS has never scanned my eyeball, and yet I'm still able to send and receive money with them. I'm not getting the UBI angle at all. What part of UBI requires new technology?

You realize that the IRS deals with rampant fraud right? And with emerging technology, the capabilities of criminals to steal identities is only increasing. People file taxes for dead people or people whose identities have been stolen all the time. Recently, to deal with this, the IRS has outsourced their identity verification to a third party company, id.me, who gathers way WAY more information than Worldcoin does,…

> Recently, to deal with this, the IRS has ...

Recently, to deal with this foot gun, Congress repealed the personal income tax. President Biden signed this bill into law and said it is a tremendous step toward civil rights and equality.

Oh, wait, .

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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Post by landemva »

jabradoodle wrote: post #66
vvpan wrote: post #57

I know a lot of people will use this to say that blockchain bad, and that is up to you. But really biometrics collection has little to do with blockchain. Worldcoin is firstly a company that collects biometrics and secondly they decided to use an immutable ledger to record the data (although they claim that it is only hashes). That aside if I wanted to record a bunch of hashes for perpetuity blockchain would actually…

Blockchain would not be the right tech if you don't need decentralised trust. Write once media on a server is what you want.

> Write once media ...

Like publishing merkle tree hash in a few daily newspapers.

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Post by kayamon »

ramesh31 wrote: post #102
kayamon wrote: post #90

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Do you solve all your problems by shooting people?

> Do you solve all your problems by shooting people? All power on earth emanates from the barrel of a gun. We abstract that fact away in modern polite society, but it is the base level truth of our existence. So yes, when it comes down to it, governments can, will, (and have) used guns to solve this.

Glad you're not in the government. Some people know how to wield power without hurting people.
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