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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by vips7L » Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 9:01 PM UTC

bsder wrote: post #319

o1y32 wrote: post #153

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> Everything just works No it doesn't. Every Linux desktop requires me to spend hours tweaking things or finding workarounds to make it usable for myself. Window management is horrible compared to other OS. Fractional scaling mostly doesn't work. The Pomodoro timer in the "Software" store is no longer maintained and doesn't work at all on the latest Gnome. (Windows 11 has it built-in). Even so, I have to live with ce…

> By comparison, setting up the environment on Windows or MacOS takes no more than a fem minutes. My wife is constantly taking her laptop into her IT staff. The main difference between Windows and Linux is that corporate IT staff are willing to futz with Windows but not Linux. The main difference between macOS and Linux is that macOS users will spend money to futz with macOS but not Linux.

This is because corporate IT staff are largely responsible for Windows not working. Their endless and senseless configuration changes make Windows not work.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by baal80spam » Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 9:02 PM UTC

Dalewyn wrote: post #233

gambiting wrote: post #79

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>> Everything works. I'm a video games developer. Neither PS5, Xbox nor Switch toolchains work under linux - not to mention that actual proper Visual Studio doesn't and that alone is worth staying on windows for. For playing games though - sure, Linux is already great. Steam Deck proves that by playing pretty much everything flawlessly.

>For playing games though - sure, Linux is already great. Steam Deck proves that by playing pretty much everything flawlessly. The caveat is that this is only true when applied to games on Steam . I play games that aren't on Steam, and I've not even bothered to see if they would run on Linux because it's just not worth my time. (No, I do not expect something in Japanese that communicates with DMM Game Player for user…

Exactly. I refuse to use Steam, so linux is a no go for me.

I hate it so much when people equal games to steam.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by sitzkrieg » Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 9:08 PM UTC

bsder wrote: post #317

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #257

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meanwhile, .bashrc, .bash_login, .bash_profile, .profile, /etc/profile, and /etc/environment all still exist, are poorly documented, and if you want a GUI for them, you have to build it yourself.

As opposed to the amazing Windows Registry? Those who throw stones ... Nevertheless, your criticisms are fair. However, unlike on Windows, Linux is actually working on that. Distributions like NixOS and Fedora Silverblue are starting to take the whole "put everything under control" very seriously. I see no comparable efforts on Windows.

AD, gpos and mdm csps go very far. this is windows business bread and butter

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by hedora » Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 9:09 PM UTC

ASalazarMX wrote: post #313

bee_rider wrote: post #157

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It is unfortunate that people recommended Ubuntu as a starting distro for so long. It does too much. It will update things for you, or give you a pop-up to tell you to update. Updates happen all at once, rather than a little at a time, so you get these big dramatic updates with combinatorial bug explosions. Maybe the repos will be gone if you don’t update in time. Maybe your favorite packages have moved from apt to s…

Please use Ubuntu LTS, you can live with 2-year old versions at its worst, specially when snaps can deliver up-to-date applications. I'm not happy with some of Canonical's decisions, but I can't deny that using LTS as a daily driver is boring because most things just work without fiddling. I don't have as much time to fiddle with the OS nowadays.

Ubuntu LTS breaks my stuff more often than Manjaro (~= Arch).

I don't understand why Canonical decides to backport breaking changes to LTS releases, but they do it on a regular basis, and I don't trust them for anything important. (I'm not suggesting using manjaro for stuff that needs to be stable over a long time period -- it's not meant for that, which is precisely my point!)

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by etiam » Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 9:19 PM UTC

tomrod wrote: post #168

freedude wrote: post #107

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Now wait and see what AI does with all of that data...

As a practitioner in the AI space: absolutely nothing useful.

For sufficiently high standards that may be true, but even if so, it won't prevent numerous organizations from profiling based on it anyway and targeting accordingly.

Also, in favor of freedude's position, we may have just not waited long enough to see yet, because unless they're forced to there's no way they'll ever be deleting the data.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by iraqmtpizza » Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 9:26 PM UTC

aruggirello wrote: post #312

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #274

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I have yet to use a linux desktop which has working drag-and-drop. When you drag a file or file path from the file explorer and drop into the command prompt, it's supposed to put the file path there. Also, I shouldn't have to hold down twelve modifier keys to move a file from one place to another. I should be able to drag a file to a segment of the file path in the file explorer and have it move to that directory lev…

> When you drag a file or file path from the file explorer and drop into the command prompt, it's supposed to put the file path there > Also, I shouldn't have to hold down twelve modifier keys to move a file from one place to another > I should be able to drag a file to a segment of the file path in the file explorer and have it move to that directory level Guess what, that's exactly what happens in Dolphin (KDE Plas…

I've used KDE plasma as recently as 2019 and it most certainly does not do that. If you're saying that it just recently got added then that's extremely sad that it took this many decades. Surely a few decades more until it's the default, though

EDIT: ha, I just looked it up. exactly as I remember, you need to use a modifier key to do any dropping. And it opens a dialog half the time instead of just doing it. I'm 99.99% sure it's not integrated with bash at all, let alone the OS, meaning you can't drag and drop a path from one program to another. Something you could probably do starting in windows 95

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by iraqmtpizza » Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 9:31 PM UTC

bsder wrote: post #317

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #257

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meanwhile, .bashrc, .bash_login, .bash_profile, .profile, /etc/profile, and /etc/environment all still exist, are poorly documented, and if you want a GUI for them, you have to build it yourself.

As opposed to the amazing Windows Registry? Those who throw stones ... Nevertheless, your criticisms are fair. However, unlike on Windows, Linux is actually working on that. Distributions like NixOS and Fedora Silverblue are starting to take the whole "put everything under control" very seriously. I see no comparable efforts on Windows.

I've never had to set an environment variable in the windows registry. I'm talking about simply adding a directory to the Path or setting JAVA_HOME. Windows GUI needs tons of work but it's at least 20 years ahead of linux. It gets one year more ahead of linux every year.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by bee_rider » Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 9:33 PM UTC

ASalazarMX wrote: post #313

bee_rider wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is unfortunate that people recommended Ubuntu as a starting distro for so long. It does too much. It will update things for you, or give you a pop-up to tell you to update. Updates happen all at once, rather than a little at a time, so you get these big dramatic updates with combinatorial bug explosions. Maybe the repos will be gone if you don’t update in time. Maybe your favorite packages have moved from apt to s…

Please use Ubuntu LTS, you can live with 2-year old versions at its worst, specially when snaps can deliver up-to-date applications. I'm not happy with some of Canonical's decisions, but I can't deny that using LTS as a daily driver is boring because most things just work without fiddling. I don't have as much time to fiddle with the OS nowadays.

I’ve used LTS on a shared system, but I don’t love it. 2 years is shorter than you’d expect, and now if we want to update we’ll need to deal with 2 years worth of work, configuration, and cluges if we want to update.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by throw_m239339 » Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 9:35 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #320

throw_m239339 wrote: post #297

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> In this case, it was a relevant comparison. Court cases involving former concentration camp staff have established that "I just work here" is not a particularly strong defense. If your work enables harmful actions, and if you are aware of it, you may be found responsible for the consequences. Even if you don't participate directly in it. Even if you could face adverse consequences (including death) for refusing to…

>If you're so outraged by all this then you should give these engineers alternative opportunities of work that don't involve telemetry. Can you do that? These workers CHOSE to work for FAANG. Nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you choose the $300k a year FAANG job over the $200k a year non-FAANG job. Hell, even IN FAANG, Netflix isn't really doing anything unethical. Sometimes taking the high road means less pe…

> These workers CHOSE to work for FAANG. Nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you choose the $300k a year FAANG job over the $200k a year non-FAANG job. Hell, even IN FAANG, Netflix isn't really doing anything unethical. Sometimes taking the high road means less personal profit.

Intel isn't a FAANG to begin with, second, I'm asking you again, are you creating alternative opportunities for the people who would refuse to do their jobs because it goes against your sense of morals? What are these opportunities of work you've built for these people? Answer that question. If you can't answer that, then who are you to judge? Not everybody can afford your grandstanding.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by JohnFen » Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 9:38 PM UTC

sph wrote: post #98

We need a new rule for tech, that says "Any major tech conglomerate grows until their main source of revenue is tracking and telemetry." Why the fuck does Intel need to know "the category of websites I visit, but not the URL themselves"? Who defines the categories? We all know that metadata is at this point as important as data. Stallman was right.

And how do they know the category if they aren't "collecting and using" the URL?