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PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by heyoni »

bravetraveler wrote: post #169
heyoni wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really want to try VFIO and ditch my windows install completely but I'm worried about anti cheats. Nice to hear there are steps you can take... You have experience with this? If so, just wondering...are there linux distributions to avoid for VFIO? I'm between arch and NixOS, nothing too outside of the mainstream.

It's definitely worth a whirl! Some anti-cheats are more effective at catching this than others. I was using this as my method of 'Gaming on Linux' until Proton became a thing. Lots of experience, indeed, though my memory hasn't aged particularly well. I even had SLi working with two RTX2080s! Hacked drivers and EFIGuard to bypass security things Valorant was the one game I couldn't really manage. Perhaps with more d…

> Lots of experience, indeed, though my memory hasn't aged particularly well.

That's kind of hilarious because my aging thing is manifesting itself in making me unable to play more complicated games. Like, I wish I could get into dwarf fortress or the new baldur's gate but always feel fried and opt for a round of call of duty (and now diablo 4). Those games are require 0 reading, it's all instinct and nothing in the game happens without some audio-visual feedback...

The irony here is that I might take a deep dive into VFIO because call of duty is one of those games that will never work with Proton...I guess for you that was Valorant?

These must all be the side effect of having kernel level anti cheat programs running on Windows and very dedicated anti-cheating teams.

> I don't know Nix well, but from what I gather, you get to pick a lot... so it shouldn't be a problem. Arch is Arch, it'll be fine being so new!

I have a habit of setting up linux machines and forgetting the process. I'm hoping NixOS will help with that :D

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by pdntspa »

baal80spam wrote: post #55
OO000oo wrote: post #49

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> Everything works. ...if you're a software engineer. If you need Photoshop or Word or another industry standard software then you don't count.

> If you need Photoshop or Word or another industry standard software then you don't count. But you can always use GIMP, right?! OK, this was a bad joke.

GIMP's pretty good

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by kens »

Am I the only person who thinks that this sort of telemetry is a good thing? It helps the user if telemetry provides reports of bugs and performance issues that help improve the product. It is a benefit to me that if a program keeps crashing, the responsible team will see this and be motivated to fix the bug. (I also like the thought that teams that write bad code will get embarrassed in meetings by bad telemetry numbers.) Obviously telemetry can be used for evil, which is bad.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by Tryk »

kens wrote: post #253

Am I the only person who thinks that this sort of telemetry is a good thing? It helps the user if telemetry provides reports of bugs and performance issues that help improve the product. It is a benefit to me that if a program keeps crashing, the responsible team will see this and be motivated to fix the bug. (I also like the thought that teams that write bad code will get embarrassed in meetings by bad telemetry num…

Nothing wrong with this in principle. The burning questions is what they use the data for. In particular, do they sell it to 3rd parties? How long do they keep the data?

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by darklycan51 »

inktype wrote: post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

Proceeds to defend this by arguing that Windows already does it anyways then goes and mentions how Linux doesn't do it... but then your whole comment makes no sense, because there is a justifiable annoyance at being tracked on Linux as well even if you quit Windows through Intel drivers

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by Workaccount2 »

screamingninja wrote: post #124
Workaccount2 wrote: post #96

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The worst thing about linux is that it is made an maintained by people who like linux. I would love more than anything to see a paid fork of linux whose goal was to make a power user friendly user OS that never needs to pull up a CLI. People will come out of woodwork here to suggest whatever shitty half-assed CLI wrapper enviroment. No. No. No. They suck. I have been using them on and off for 20 years. Including righ…

Please correct me if I am wrong, but is this not a straw man argument? > spending 6 months learning the nomenclature and structure of linux > become a proper user Care to elaborate? My parents have been using Ubuntu successfully for over a decade now for "email and youtube". They do not even know what a CLI is. What are you trying to accomplish that does not work out of the box?

Troubleshoot network issues using a GUI.

That's the thing, linux is great for linux power users and absolute hands off users. Its terrible for people in the middle, and hence why it cannot get the ball rolling towards adoption for 30 year now.

There are tons of tech literate people who know what a problem is, know what the fix is, but do not want to deal with climbing through forum posts and documentation to figure out the correctly structured command to do the actions (and how to unfuck if the command wasn't right). Just make fucking buttons, toggle switches and drop down menus.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

o1y32 wrote: post #153
inktype wrote: post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

> Everything just works No it doesn't. Every Linux desktop requires me to spend hours tweaking things or finding workarounds to make it usable for myself. Window management is horrible compared to other OS. Fractional scaling mostly doesn't work. The Pomodoro timer in the "Software" store is no longer maintained and doesn't work at all on the latest Gnome. (Windows 11 has it built-in). Even so, I have to live with ce…

meanwhile, .bashrc, .bash_login, .bash_profile, .profile, /etc/profile, and /etc/environment all still exist, are poorly documented, and if you want a GUI for them, you have to build it yourself.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by Workaccount2 »

pdntspa wrote: post #194
Workaccount2 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The worst thing about linux is that it is made an maintained by people who like linux. I would love more than anything to see a paid fork of linux whose goal was to make a power user friendly user OS that never needs to pull up a CLI. People will come out of woodwork here to suggest whatever shitty half-assed CLI wrapper enviroment. No. No. No. They suck. I have been using them on and off for 20 years. Including righ…

If you didn't have that attitude you could have learned that stuff in the last 6 months and then you wouldnt have to worry about it. Also, "power user friendly" but hates CLI..... I see. You might have to hand in your power user card over that one I am a diehard windows user but the OS's affinity for burying settings in nested, labyrinthine setting dialogs gets old super fast.

This comment perfectly sums up why linux is perpetually stuck with close to zero adoption.

"It's not linux that's the problem, it's you!"

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by wtallis »

darklycan51 wrote: post #255
inktype wrote: post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

Proceeds to defend this by arguing that Windows already does it anyways then goes and mentions how Linux doesn't do it... but then your whole comment makes no sense, because there is a justifiable annoyance at being tracked on Linux as well even if you quit Windows through Intel drivers

> there is a justifiable annoyance at being tracked on Linux as well even if you quit Windows through Intel drivers

I feel like you may be making some pretty wild assumptions. The Intel GPU drivers for Linux have little to nothing in common with the Intel GPU drivers for Windows.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by callalex »

kens wrote: post #253

Am I the only person who thinks that this sort of telemetry is a good thing? It helps the user if telemetry provides reports of bugs and performance issues that help improve the product. It is a benefit to me that if a program keeps crashing, the responsible team will see this and be motivated to fix the bug. (I also like the thought that teams that write bad code will get embarrassed in meetings by bad telemetry num…

How does tracking what websites I visit reduce bugs in my graphics driver?
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