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Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by somat »

dealuromanet wrote: post #35

Time to go open source and self-hosted or peer to peer on everything we can. Teach your loved ones and friends the same.

As a hint on how to self host I can suggest galene. Now there is a caveat in that It turns out that seeing someone while talking to them does not actually provide any value add(actually it is a net negative) to me and my normal non video chat go-to's(cough mumble) have proved good enough. so I don't really use it. But it was very easy to build on openbsd, which is a plus in my book, and the documentation is pretty good at explaining various scaling setups. from one idiot who likes to run servers(me) to full on video chat as a service(zoomish).

https://galene.org/

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by gruez »

numbsafari wrote: post #130
gruez wrote: post #114

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If you're authorized to access the data, it's not infringement. Again, this is if you're using zoom to stream Disney movies or whatever, and Disney decides to sue you and zoom. If you're screensharing confidential company documents you're authorized to view, this will certainly not apply to you. If for whatever reason your company is getting you to screenshare third party documents that you're not authorized to view…

You may be authorized, but you may not be authorized to confer or transfer those rights to a third party (e.g. Zoom).

If zoom is the platform that your company picked, the company is going to have a hard time suing you or zoom for infringement or whatever. If zoom isn't the platform your company picked, the company is either too small to worry about stuff like this, or you really shouldn't be transferring data to a company that doesn't have a data processing agreement with you. It's the equivalent of using gmail (the personal version, not gsuite) for work emails.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by cosmojg »

notroger wrote: post #143
burkaman wrote: post #76

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Hi there, I don't believe you, especially since you've misrepresented that blog post. It actually says: "we do not use audio, video, or chat content for training our models without customer consent." It explicitly says that you do use customer content to train your models. From the screenshot: "You are directing Zoom to access, process, and use your participants' inputs and AI-generated content for the purpose of Zoo…

Oh she knows. Prior to being COO she was Zoom’s lawyers: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/zooms-to...

Yikes, this is some of the slimiest legalese-shrouded deception I've seen yet.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by ibejoeb »

From 10.4:

> Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent.

Right. And you've given consent by agreeing to the terms in the first sentence:

> You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom [an absolute] license and all other rights...to perform all acts with respect to the Customer Content...

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by sickill »

SoftTalker wrote: post #123
Zambyte wrote: post #96

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In what way do you find Jitsi limited? Perhaps BigBlueButton would be another reasonable option?

Jitsi is limited in that any organization big enough to have an IT security policy almost certainly prohibits standing up your own online meeting service for business use. You'll have to use the company-approved service, which is most likely Zoom or maybe Teams or Google. I haven't looked but I'd bet that Microsoft's and Google's terms of use are broadly similar to Zoom's for similar services.

Let’s try to convince our IT admins to approve Jitsi then. If we don’t try then we’ll be destined to Zoom/Teams/Meet.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by jayknight »

jamesponddotco wrote: post #48
littlestymaar wrote: post #46

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Are there commercial offering for Jitsi around? (that is, not self-hosted)

You can use the hosted version[1] or get a commercial offering from 8x8[2]. [1] https://meet.jit.si/ [2] https://jaas.8x8.vc/

I'm surprised 8x8 is still around. I had a cheap home voip phone line from them in the mid 2000s.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by ibejoeb »

aparnabzoom wrote: post #52

Hi there, I'm the COO of Zoom. We currently do not use audio, video or chat content to train AI models and we would not do so without customer consent. Please see our blog https://blog.zoom.us/zooms-term-service-ai/

Even if you don't, the language of the agreement allows you to. The very same clause contains the consent language, so now that you have the materials, you can start making fake versions of us at your leisure.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by lucideer »

tornato7 wrote: post #110
lucideer wrote: post #83

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Jitsi's free SaaS is a great resource to have available but it's not really viable for many many (most?) use-cases. Apart from general stability issues (which is in fairness are always improving) the biggest blocker is the "Video turned off to save bandwidth" message that you will inevitably receive on any call with more than 2 members. This doesn't seem in my experience to just be something that occurs occasionally…

Yes, you can change the maxFullResolutionParticipants setting in config.js to fix this.

you can't in their free saas, and they don't offer paid saas on a per-user basis (just a $100/mo plan for 300 users)

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by sickill »

tornato7 wrote: post #105
lucideer wrote: post #100

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Jitsi's free service disables video to "save bandwidth" if you have any reasonable amount of participants (3+ in my experience), and doesn't allow you to re-enable it. Their paid service allows you to tweak this but it starts at $100/mo. Have never tried BBB & I'm starting to see a lot of folk recommending it here now as I read through the comments... is it available as a service or is it purely a self-host option (w…

The free version of Jitsi does, yes. I'm self-hosting my own Jitsi instance and was able to configure the quality settings way beyond anything you can get from Zoom or Google Meet. I can have ten people with 30Mbps 4K video streams on the call at once. The video is responsive, lifelike, and beautiful like you're watching a pre-recorded YouTube video.

Any pointers for self-hosting, specifically on the configuration side?
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