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Re: Not Using Zoom

#51

The indemnification for IP is a standard term that exists in all SaaS terms. What it's saying is "if you upload copyrighted/infringing material to our service and someone sues us because of it, you have to pay our legal costs since we had nothing to do with it". This is a pretty reasonable thing, you're the one who uploaded the material, you're responsible for it, especially since zoom isn't checking/filtering what y…

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Re: Not Using Zoom

#53

While we are it, please don't conduct the meeting in MS Teams unless you are 100% sure that none of the attendees will use Firefox. (Brave also didn't work but refreshing multiple times worked, don't know, why MS wants to pinpoint Edge or Chrome for Teams)

Why?

If it's for any technical reason, I've been using Teams in Firefox for many months already, and meetings run just fine.

Re: Not Using Zoom

#54
I understand that people are (rightfully) upset by these terms. This is the first post I've seen saying they're rejecting Zoom calls, but I've seen plenty of comments on HN over the last few days on this topic saying roughly the same.

My question is: what are you doing for work where you can just decline any invitation that comes from a specific service? That's not realistic at all for most people. Is there a solution for those people?

Re: Not Using Zoom

#55

Hi there, I'm the COO of Zoom. We currently do not use audio, video or chat content to train AI models and we would not do so without customer consent. Please see our blog https://blog.zoom.us/zooms-term-service-ai/

I believe you... but that belongs in the Terms of Service then, not a blog post.

Re: Not Using Zoom

#56

Hi there, I'm the COO of Zoom. We currently do not use audio, video or chat content to train AI models and we would not do so without customer consent. Please see our blog https://blog.zoom.us/zooms-term-service-ai/

You can say what you want in a blog post, everybody knows you can revert that at will any time as long as it is in the terms of services.

Re: Not Using Zoom

#57

The indemnification for IP is a standard term that exists in all SaaS terms. What it's saying is "if you upload copyrighted/infringing material to our service and someone sues us because of it, you have to pay our legal costs since we had nothing to do with it". This is a pretty reasonable thing, you're the one who uploaded the material, you're responsible for it, especially since zoom isn't checking/filtering what y…

I don't think it's reasonable that a SaaS should be able to train their AI on anything that is uploaded (if you're paying for the service). In fact, I don't think it's reasonable that they should even have access to view what you're uploading and sharing in private meetings. If neither of those were true, then they wouldn't have to worry about IP infringement.

Zoom End-to-End encryption should theoretically not allow Zoom to see any of the content no?

Re: Not Using Zoom

#58

While we are it, please don't conduct the meeting in MS Teams unless you are 100% sure that none of the attendees will use Firefox. (Brave also didn't work but refreshing multiple times worked, don't know, why MS wants to pinpoint Edge or Chrome for Teams)

We will use the supported meeting platform the company has paid for and uses, thank you.

Re: Not Using Zoom

#59

Hi there, I'm the COO of Zoom. We currently do not use audio, video or chat content to train AI models and we would not do so without customer consent. Please see our blog https://blog.zoom.us/zooms-term-service-ai/

You can say what you want in a blog post, everybody knows you can revert that at will any time as long as it is in the terms of services.

I still remember when they promised E2E encryption when they had at least a MITM on their end. They have since deleted their (whole!) blog where the whole bullshit non-apology was posted. Zoom’s comments or promises are completely worthless.

There are still some relics around, e.g. this thread from 2020. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22757697

Re: Not Using Zoom

#60

Hi there, I'm the COO of Zoom. We currently do not use audio, video or chat content to train AI models and we would not do so without customer consent. Please see our blog https://blog.zoom.us/zooms-term-service-ai/

The terms of service say you can but the blog says you don't? I feel better.
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