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Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by ranting-moth »

alexlmiller wrote: post #36

The indemnification for IP is a standard term that exists in all SaaS terms. What it's saying is "if you upload copyrighted/infringing material to our service and someone sues us because of it, you have to pay our legal costs since we had nothing to do with it". This is a pretty reasonable thing, you're the one who uploaded the material, you're responsible for it, especially since zoom isn't checking/filtering what y…

It totally stops being a reasonable thing when the content is used to train AI. I don't think you can discuss/use company's IP anymore on a Zoom call. Or at least if you do, zoom's AI will be able to reproduce it and it will be YOUR fault.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by elaus »

alexlmiller wrote: post #36

The indemnification for IP is a standard term that exists in all SaaS terms. What it's saying is "if you upload copyrighted/infringing material to our service and someone sues us because of it, you have to pay our legal costs since we had nothing to do with it". This is a pretty reasonable thing, you're the one who uploaded the material, you're responsible for it, especially since zoom isn't checking/filtering what y…

It might be a standard term, but this is still a big reason not to use Zoom if you expect that any copyrighted or NDA'ed material will be shared.

Zoom says they might use this data to train their AI. If the AI produces a close-enough copy of copyrighted material or if it spews out company secrets, someone _will_ sue Zoom for this.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by oriettaxx »

kermatt wrote: post #5

> Be indemnified by me if it turns out someone else owns the IP or has their rights infringed Does this mean Zoom expects their users to take on the legal burden if someone on a call uses a copyrighted image on a PowerPoint slide?

yeah, even the pic you have in the background wall in your office ;)

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by [deleted] »

_joel wrote: post #21
AbraKdabra wrote: post #10

I came directly to the comments to recommend Jitsi instead. Glad the author made the same early in the article.

Good luck to all those that have been trying to convince people to get off Zoom at $WORK (it's not that simple...). This should add some fuel to the fire.

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Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by stronglikedan »

alexlmiller wrote: post #36

The indemnification for IP is a standard term that exists in all SaaS terms. What it's saying is "if you upload copyrighted/infringing material to our service and someone sues us because of it, you have to pay our legal costs since we had nothing to do with it". This is a pretty reasonable thing, you're the one who uploaded the material, you're responsible for it, especially since zoom isn't checking/filtering what y…

I don't think it's reasonable that a SaaS should be able to train their AI on anything that is uploaded (if you're paying for the service). In fact, I don't think it's reasonable that they should even have access to view what you're uploading and sharing in private meetings. If neither of those were true, then they wouldn't have to worry about IP infringement.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by AbraKdabra »

_joel wrote: post #21
AbraKdabra wrote: post #10

I came directly to the comments to recommend Jitsi instead. Glad the author made the same early in the article.

Good luck to all those that have been trying to convince people to get off Zoom at $WORK (it's not that simple...). This should add some fuel to the fire.

We use it at work (20k plus employees) since before the pandemic and it has been awesome.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by jamesponddotco »

littlestymaar wrote: post #46
AbraKdabra wrote: post #10

I came directly to the comments to recommend Jitsi instead. Glad the author made the same early in the article.

Are there commercial offering for Jitsi around? (that is, not self-hosted)

You can use the hosted version[1] or get a commercial offering from 8x8[2].

[1] https://meet.jit.si/

[2] https://jaas.8x8.vc/

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by dealuromanet »

smithcoin wrote: post #2

Are meet’s terms any better?

This is what I found from searching, but we do need a more clear and direct answer from Google.

https://support.google.com/meet/answer/9852160#zippy=%2Cpriv...

"Google does not store video, audio, or chat data unless a meeting participant initiates a recording during the Meet session."

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