woa, so many people are still using google for search?
The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September
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Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September
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Google controls mine as search and gmail and chrome are major ways that I communicate with others. It’s difficult not to use them because my employer and many sites require chrome. I’m not sure what the gmail market share is, but chrome and search are over 50% and they’ve used that market position to harm users (showing ads for their own products until you choose chrome) and harm competitors (showing their own ads ab…
It's hard to say google controls your communication. You: 1. Voluntary use their services 2. There are lots of alternatives 3. The switching cost is minimal
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Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September
#33I think one argument that’s missing from the article is how that impacts foreign policies. What about competing with foreign giants, for example? China probably won’t break up their large companies, and, in a global market, those can then use their outsized economic power to impose themselves against the counterparts elsewhere. I’m not saying that will necessarily happen, just mentioning an argument I’ve heard quite…
We need multiple large companies, not a few huge ones.
Google's "internet DRM" web integrity API is honestly frightening stuff. The Internet as we know it would change.
Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September
#34I think one argument that’s missing from the article is how that impacts foreign policies. What about competing with foreign giants, for example? China probably won’t break up their large companies, and, in a global market, those can then use their outsized economic power to impose themselves against the counterparts elsewhere. I’m not saying that will necessarily happen, just mentioning an argument I’ve heard quite…
I think fear of China is a convenient excuse used by monopolists to justify letting them continue to abuse the rest of us. The right call is to regulate our tech companies and also restrict foreign companies who violate the rules.
Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Google improves search every year. I don’t believe this based on my own search experience getting worse year over year. I believe they know how to improve it, but they choose to increase revenue instead. Results seem to be less relevant to me and there are frequently more ad results than organic that display on the page. I think they are able to do this because of lock in with users and vendors. If there was more c…
I think you don't understand how much worse the internet has gotten - there are a large amount of bad actors actively trying to make google worse (junk content, etc) - Even just providing the same level of quality results with decreasing quality source data is an improvement. If it was easy to extract better results there would be competition with better results.
I definitely don’t understand.
But I’m fairly certain that having 50-100% of the first page of search results be ads isn’t good for the internet. And it’s made worse by google search recommending chrome and chrome recommending google search.
Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September
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Hopefully the government loses.
I would rather give my data to one entity, than thousands of fragmented ones. Some things can only be accomplished at scale, and also risk getting into the wrong hands (re Twitter)
If you only want one entity having your data, you're better off being abused by Apple. Google invites all his friends over to run a train on you.
Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September
#37Hopefully this is won and followed by similar for all other tech monopolies: Amazon, apple, meta, Microsoft, etc.
Google has 95% of search market, but none of the other examples have 95% of anything. What are Amazon, Apple, Microsoft’s monopolies? They all have substantial competitors across their various verticals. Amazon: Walmart (goods), Netflix (media) Microsoft: Apple (OS), Google, Amazon (enterprise compute) Apple: Microsoft (O, services), Samsung (mobile), Google (mobile, services), Netflix (media)
Apple has over 75% of 18-24 year olds with their phone in their pocket.
Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google controls mine as search and gmail and chrome are major ways that I communicate with others. It’s difficult not to use them because my employer and many sites require chrome. I’m not sure what the gmail market share is, but chrome and search are over 50% and they’ve used that market position to harm users (showing ads for their own products until you choose chrome) and harm competitors (showing their own ads ab…
It's hard to say google controls your communication. You: 1. Voluntary use their services 2. There are lots of alternatives 3. The switching cost is minimal
The parent clearly noted they do not use Google services voluntarily, but are required to by their employer and various websites. Which is exactly the reason for antitrust.
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There’s different levels of control. I think control means affect how I communicate. I can’t communicate anything I want as chrome blocks certain apps from installing. And gmail blocks some communication. And search filters results from what I want to find. Etc etc. So yes, google controls what I’m able to say.
> I think control means affect how I communicate Many things affect how I communicate, but that is very different from controlling . > chrome blocks certain apps from installing Chrome blocks apps from installing? > And gmail blocks some communication. Such as?
Google removed NukeRedditHistory from their App Store. And lots of others.
There’s a system of how gmail decides what is spam and what isn’t. And there’s a large percentage of non-spam that gets blocked or sent to spam [0].
[0] https://www.inboxally.com/blog/why-is-gmail-blocking-my-emai...
Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google has 95% of search market, but none of the other examples have 95% of anything. What are Amazon, Apple, Microsoft’s monopolies? They all have substantial competitors across their various verticals. Amazon: Walmart (goods), Netflix (media) Microsoft: Apple (OS), Google, Amazon (enterprise compute) Apple: Microsoft (O, services), Samsung (mobile), Google (mobile, services), Netflix (media)
Apple has over 75% of 18-24 year olds with their phone in their pocket.
But how is this the result of Apple engaging in anti-competitive practices? 75% of people choosing your product can not be grounds to breakup a company and the fact that it looks different for other age groups is just further evidence that Apple is engaging in fair competition.