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Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by quags »

mistrial9 wrote: post #178
sandydan wrote: post #151

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Yes peak oil is a good example of predictions being wrong, it does not mean anything for other predictions of doom. Dire warnings about things going on in Europe in the 1930s proved to be very true and incredibly costly and horrible for most everyone and from talking to people that had to deal with the aftermath.

What if we are wrong?! we made the world better for nothing!

I hopped on the comment on peak oil because it was something that I had not heard in long time and I remember the discussion being so out of left field that an alternative idea was never brought up - and it was done under a capitalistic economic model based on supply and demand. I’m not saying we should look at all predictions as potentially wrong. I personally believe in reducing consumption especially along the food chain like a reduction in meat and other animal products as well as ensuring seafood is done sustainably.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by jfengel »

mistermann wrote: post #146
jfengel wrote: post #133

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"Someone will do something" isn't especially good economics. It's just wishful thinking. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. It's a bad idea to plan on it.

In this case it was predicted in a specific context though, and he was correct. Do you wish that he was thinking wishfully perhaps?

He didn't predict the specifics, like fracking. If he knew that it would become economical, good on him for knowing more. But that's a matter of geology and petroleum science; it couldn't be predicted purely from the economics.

I point it out only to say "somebody will do something to fix climate change, so don't worry about it" is not a sound position either. The economics predict there will be reactions, but they include a lot of suffering. Dealing with it sooner rather than later will reduce the suffering, and we've already lost a lot of time.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by klyrs »

touristtam wrote: post #165
klyrs wrote: post #150

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Hey, my mom's a boomer, some of my greatest idols were boomers. It's not a term of disparagement, she's chronologically gifted! As long as we get her a good AC unit and keep it maintained, she'll probably live longer than average.

Well maybe stop using the short version of it, as it is mostly used in a negative manner online, and start using the full expression to reflect the cohort you're referring to: "baby boomer".

No thanks!

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by mistermann »

jfengel wrote: post #182
mistermann wrote: post #146

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In this case it was predicted in a specific context though, and he was correct. Do you wish that he was thinking wishfully perhaps?

He didn't predict the specifics, like fracking. If he knew that it would become economical, good on him for knowing more. But that's a matter of geology and petroleum science; it couldn't be predicted purely from the economics. I point it out only to say "somebody will do something to fix climate change, so don't worry about it" is not a sound position either. The economics predict there will be reactions, but they i…

> I point it out only to say "somebody will do something to fix climate change, so don't worry about it" is not a sound position either.

That wasn't his position though. His comment had specific context, your critique did not.

Otherwise I absolutely agree with you, my thinking is that humans should try precision in communications (more popularly known as "pedantry", except when scientists do it) about these wicked problems because what we're doing now seems to cause more harm than help, and as you say time is of the essence.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by knewter »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #104
WeylandYutani wrote: post #101

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It will happen just slow enough for people to get used to it and not panic. And then it will be the new normal. Humans can adapt to terrible situations. Honestly I'll ride it out but I do feel bad for people with kids.

>Honestly I'll ride it out but I do feel bad for people with kids. Do you live near the coast? If so, "riding it out", might involve moving inland and paying insane property prices.

On what timeline do you believe this to be the case

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by spiralx »

pvaldes wrote: post #122
pvaldes wrote: post #117

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A redistribution in the equilibrium of the forces acting locally over crust and upper mantle called isostasy And breaking the isostasy is directly related with...

The fact that the earth crust is floating in the mantle over a sea of magma And how much it floats or sinks is directly linked with local gravity... gravity that is a reflect of the thickness of the crust in that area. Or if we prefer of how much matter is accumulated in that local area. The thicker, the heavier, so the crust will sink more by the force pointing down that come from its own weight and local gravity in…

> Can you see yet where this is leading us, and why I'm 120% sure that climate change WILL come with an increase in volcanic eruptions?

Melting of ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica causing land to rebound (called iso-something shock IIRC?) which is likely to cause all kinds of tectonic activity such as volcanism. Which is less weight on the crust there, and so a lower local gravity in those areas. Gravity isn't strong enough to do much to even the thinnest part of the crust (about 16km in part of Antarctica apparently) directly unless you just mean it as weight, which is a weird way of using the term.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by pvaldes »

spiralx wrote: post #186
pvaldes wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that the earth crust is floating in the mantle over a sea of magma And how much it floats or sinks is directly linked with local gravity... gravity that is a reflect of the thickness of the crust in that area. Or if we prefer of how much matter is accumulated in that local area. The thicker, the heavier, so the crust will sink more by the force pointing down that come from its own weight and local gravity in…

> Can you see yet where this is leading us, and why I'm 120% sure that climate change WILL come with an increase in volcanic eruptions? Melting of ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica causing land to rebound (called iso-something shock IIRC?) which is likely to cause all kinds of tectonic activity such as volcanism. Which is less weight on the crust there, and so a lower local gravity in those areas. Gravity isn't…

Finally. Sometimes I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

Gravity was introduced to talk about why we know that North and South Poles will behave in a different way, but you are right. Forget that part.

So there is a direct link between climate change and an increase in volcanoes activity and is easily observable. We can expect an early spring activity in the North Pole, adding forces than then will typically trigger a "ping-pong" chain of volcanoes around equator and in the opposite areas of the planet. Has been happening for a while yet

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by geniium »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #70
revscat wrote: post #26

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The lifespan of everyone reading this has decreased by several decades.

Hyperbole doesn't help anyone. Are things worse than what the IPCC is letting on? Absolutely, yes, but saying everyone's gona die from it is ridiculous. Most reading this will merely be inconvenienced. Some will lose houses to wildfires or hurricanes, but most will swealter a bit more than they would have otherwise. The only people who really have to worry are those in the tropics living with unreliable power grids a…

Wondering how this would play out of the heat grows exponentially …

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by fallingfrog »

timeon wrote: post #59
bogdan0s wrote: post #40

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Interesting. In Rome we have a similar week in October, it's called "the roman October"

Is it Indian summer?

Probably that’s a culturally insensitive term? But also that’s what we call it in Maine
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