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Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by loa_in_ »

staunton wrote: post #170
gitfan86 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But seriously, it gets awkward when you can ask the model, "what is the likelihood that this project we are discussing is successful?" and the model responds "this project will most likely be cancelled due to the fact that the last three initiatives like this were cancelled and the current project manager appears to be disinterested earlier in the project than last time"

Just because the project wiļl most likely be cancelled doesn't necessarily mean one shouldn't work on it. It might, after all, not be cancelled.

Statistics can be a very scientific way to conceal reality.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by comboy »

gitfan86 wrote: post #99
albert_e wrote: post #63

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

But seriously, it gets awkward when you can ask the model, "what is the likelihood that this project we are discussing is successful?" and the model responds "this project will most likely be cancelled due to the fact that the last three initiatives like this were cancelled and the current project manager appears to be disinterested earlier in the project than last time"

Some people do things which are unlikely to be successful blindly, but some do it despite slim chance of success (hello YC), so presumably it would just remove ignorance (or make it more elaborate).

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by PeterisP »

cj wrote: post #56
tikkun wrote: post #15

What are the alternatives people have tried and had good experiences with?

We use Google Meet at our company for everything including external client and vendor calls. Not to say Google has the best track record with privacy… but its feature set is on par with Zoom in most areas (I personally like it because it’s 100% sandboxed in the browser)

How does it work for larger meetings?

At the start of Covid I had to check many options, and while for many use-cases Google Meet was most convenient, it started to work poorly if there were a bunch of people connected, so I used Google Meet for calls with 2 (or 3) people and something else (e.g. Zoom) for anything larger.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by ta1243 »

jabradoodle wrote: post #81
bippihippi1 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

good luck finding the telemetry in the decompiled meeting connector server

Not that hard to packet sniff or add a firewall

Zoom sends encrypted traffic to their servers, for "control" purposes. How are you sure it's not leaking your company secrets.

There's no way that a legal team will be happy with an attempted technical block to what is a legal problem.

Simply cancel the zoom contract. It's not like there aren't alternatives.

If this applies to corporate accounts then it's time to short Zoom like there's no tomorrow.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by gumby »

gitfan86 wrote: post #99
albert_e wrote: post #63

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

But seriously, it gets awkward when you can ask the model, "what is the likelihood that this project we are discussing is successful?" and the model responds "this project will most likely be cancelled due to the fact that the last three initiatives like this were cancelled and the current project manager appears to be disinterested earlier in the project than last time"

I would not be comfortable with the "reasoning" of an artificial system that mixed up "disinterested" and "uninterested".

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by gumby »

realusername wrote: post #119
tikkun wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also HN user jeltz below mentioned: > I have tried most of them: Google Meet, Teams, Slack, Discord, Skype, Jitsi and so far I liked Jitsi the most and Skype the least.

Skype became really really terrible, it looks like it's been unmaintained during the past 10 years, I'd rate its usability worse than most open-source software. The sound quality is also awful, it feels like I'm calling a landline.

Where do you live? In the US at least, landline (AKA POTS) is still the gold standard for audio quality.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by [deleted] »

LinuxBender wrote: post #24

I am curious if they have been silently saving voice to text transcription in the background on all calls and if AI will be permitted to ingest all of that data. A great deal could be learned from private one on one calls in the corporate world. The insider knowledge one could gain about corporations and governments would be fascinating.

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