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Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

Is this the basis for the Blame! Anime?

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#132

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As long as the paychecks aren't hallucinations I'm good with it.

I think that's the future with AGI - no more paychecks. What will happen when the cost of every service is zero since it's been delegated to machines?

They'll still charge as much as the market can stand. Not everyone will have access to the same models or the same machines so there's going to be competition, and as usual those with the most capital will have the advantage. I agree though, no more paychecks.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#133

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

Hopefully someone has the Net Terminal Gene to shut the system off.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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lightweight? they are literally the only video chatting service I use that makes my laptop fans spin up.

I am yet to find a modern video chat that isn't draining the battery of any laptop. From old Xeons, to fairly recent Ryzen and even M1/2 Macs. It's a bit puzzling, actually. I don't think Skype and TeamSpeak had the same effect on computers back in the day. Just how much local processing are they doing these days? It's crazy

It's most likely due to the fact they are all electron apps rather than they are doing "something".

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#135
Between this and their decision to enforce a return-to-office policy, I think it's safe to say that Zoom is making some questionable executive decisions.

No company in their right mind is going to be okay with having their business meetings recorded and loaded into an AI model.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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But it is saying that your customer content may be used for training AI, in 10.4: > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use…

> You agree to grant and hereby grant I get that legalese is like human-interpretable pseudocode, but like, is there really no better way to word this? How can you grant without agreeing to grant? > import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works Wow this cover of Daft Punk - Technologic…

> How can you grant without agreeing to grant?

I think it's more that they're being explicit about the logical AND in that sentence. You agree to grant, AND grant them the permission.

I think it's a technicality about it being a "user agreement" so they probably have to use the word agree for certain clauses.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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You can just have a conference call with the 5-10 speakers and use broadcasting software to stream it to the audience, why do they need to be in the conference?

Why setup a separate broadcast when listeners can just join the meeting room?

Yes, I know it's more comfortable that way, but if you have to decide between giving all your data from all your meetings to a random US company and a slight annoyance whenever you do conferences with more than 500(!) participants, the choice is pretty simple to me.

Giving all the data to zoom probably means also giving it to most US law enforcement agencies (should they request it), that would be a big no no for me.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#138

Remote work has enough threats with return to office looming that we really don't need Zoom to also be the bad guys now, again, since it was hard enough getting them in the door the first time.

Zoom is still used without remote work. Businesses talk to other businesses and talk to other offices that are not in the same location. Pretty common for a Fortune 500 to have more than one office location.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#139
The conventional (actually drivel) explanation is that individuals don't care about their online footprint because: convenience, free, nothing to hide etc.

But how to explain that corporates don't care? Any value extracted from their casual attitude toward online information flows is value that nominally belongs to their shareholders. Commercial secrecy is a required fundation for any enterprise.

The whole edifice of current tech business models seems to be resting on false pillars.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

The dystopian part would be, some human brains are still kept alive and are wired in matrix like. The Eternal Meeting.

Yes, and it starts with some rich guy wanting to live forever, and he's 'heroically interfacing himself with the network to prevent it from hallucinating.' And then the whole process becomes common place, but eventually forms a class segregation of sorts, where the types of hallucinations you're allowed to resolve are based on your education, social standing, etc. An interesting afterlife I suppose, matrix purgatory.
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