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Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by badwolf »

anonymousiam wrote: post #138
noman-land wrote: post #121

What if Google took your 16 year old email address? Corporate cloud is an absolute trap. A prison. You cannot trust these companies with your important digital belongings. Free, libre, open source software, peer to peer networks, and citizen run communications infrastructure are the only viable way forward if we don't to live in a rental society where none of your belongings belong to you, not even your identity.

It's not your email address unless the part after the @ belongs to you.

It's not _your_ domain unless the registrar belongs to you...

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by mptest »

appplication wrote: post #177
monero-xmr wrote: post #147

There is no such thing as true digital ownership for things built on anyone else’s platform. If you want to truly own something you need to use open protocols - like websites and bespoke software. If you build on someone’s API, or rely on “owning” a Twitter account which you literally have zero right to and is at the whim of the platform’s owner, don’t be shocked when it’s taken from you. Of course, you can always us…

> Of course, you can always use Bitcoin / Ethereum and the Ethereum Name Service which is true, legitimate digital ownership. Why is this legitimate digital ownership vs other forms? Bitcoin and ETH are stolen all the time, and it’s not recoverable, even if you can prove it rightfully belonged to you. People are wary of crypto because it’s controlled by a cabal of extraordinarily entrenched early adopters, many of wh…

>controlled by a cabal of extraordinarily entrenched early adopters, many of whom established themselves on speculation, grift, and fraud

Aka buying the stuff while you lot were laughing at it and calling them magic internet beans over on /r/buttcoin

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by tracerbulletx »

monero-xmr wrote: post #147

There is no such thing as true digital ownership for things built on anyone else’s platform. If you want to truly own something you need to use open protocols - like websites and bespoke software. If you build on someone’s API, or rely on “owning” a Twitter account which you literally have zero right to and is at the whim of the platform’s owner, don’t be shocked when it’s taken from you. Of course, you can always us…

That's true of literally everything and yet we have figured out in other spheres how to have fair dealings, and have things like leases, and insurance, and other fair ways of working together when dealing with things owned by other people. As people build businesses on these platforms it is completely necessary that standards and duties between these parties be formalized, predictable, and non-capricious.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by quickthrower2 »

adolph wrote: post #178
quickthrower2 wrote: post #131

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I am assuming they will take my 19 yo email address. So I am moving my logins slowly to my own domain.

“my own domain” Which is a touch more solid (I use in in that way) but still an ephemeral rented thing, not owned.

You can probably sue if the registar just gives it to someone else. Which is as good as owning anything is gonna get.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by monero-xmr »

tracerbulletx wrote: post #193
monero-xmr wrote: post #147

There is no such thing as true digital ownership for things built on anyone else’s platform. If you want to truly own something you need to use open protocols - like websites and bespoke software. If you build on someone’s API, or rely on “owning” a Twitter account which you literally have zero right to and is at the whim of the platform’s owner, don’t be shocked when it’s taken from you. Of course, you can always us…

That's true of literally everything and yet we have figured out in other spheres how to have fair dealings, and have things like leases, and insurance, and other fair ways of working together when dealing with things owned by other people. As people build businesses on these platforms it is completely necessary that standards and duties between these parties be formalized, predictable, and non-capricious.

No I have a constitutional right to the property I own, except in exceptional circumstances. Your Twitter handle is not land, nor a physical object in your house, and the laws we have won’t protect you if the contract says you can’t own it.

Cryptocurrency is simply a different thing in terms of digital ownership. It’s not the same as other digital things.

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Post by jonwest »

hackernewds wrote: post #188
Freaky wrote: post #163

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https://twitter.com/jeremyvaught/status/1687444457837187072 > Oh wow, I didn't even think to look up the alternatives they were offering. THEY ARE ALREADY USED AS WELL! So if I choose one, I'll be complicit in stealing more accounts.

what do the @musicfan user do then?

Presumably become @musicfanfan.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by monero-xmr »

leereeves wrote: post #189
monero-xmr wrote: post #184

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I feel like you are at an inflection point of understanding. The fiat economic system, which has been the global system since the gold standard went away, is a glorified Ponzi scheme! You are so close

Neither is a ponzi scheme, but I think you're both trying to say that each rewards the already rich, which is true. But replacing one "rich get richer" economic system with another is not an improvement, except for a very few people who might become rich during the transition.

I am using a rhetorical technique to point to the traditional economic system to contrast it with the crypto system, and in this way crypto is at least equally bad (if not (much!) better). That technique is for observers of the thread.

Unfortunately, if you have a problem with “rich get richer”, I believe you are arguing against fundamental requirement of technological improvement.

It takes patience to do anything of value. Anything. Learning a skill, mastering a job, earning the trust of your peers, becoming a leader - this requires time, dedication, and discipline. A government cannot simply mandate that everyone can read, or everyone can be rich for that matter.

All risk has tradeoff. It takes those with more stuff in order to risk enough stuff to subsidize a lot of experiments, some of which will bear fruit. I would argue that even in the smallest communities, with everyone starting equal, very soon some will have more and some have less. This is simply human nature.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by hedgehog »

hedgehog wrote: post #72
throwaway98797 wrote: post #38

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that’s so smart a good excuse to never build anything life is risk this sucks, no doubt but this snark is so unproductive

It's a reason to not stop building. You have to start somewhere but you have to stay in that place. That's why you see successful public personalities diversify away from just the platform / schtick that got them started, they know that to succeed long term they need many ways to reach their audience or organize their community.

(_don't_ have to stay)

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Post by presson »

moralestapia wrote: post #176
presson wrote: post #169

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This cannot happen with domains. If you were to drop the domain, they could potentially reserve it for themselves, but as long as you're not breaking laws and pay for renewals, the domain is yours.

I hope you're right! (I'm quite honored to get your first comment on this site after lurking for around 3 years and a half, lol)

lololol the web as a distribution platform is very important to me! :-P

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Post by HWR_14 »

aeyes wrote: post #155
HWR_14 wrote: post #124

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Instagram has a web interface. You can use it entirely without an app. And there is no reason Uber or WhatsApp couldn't work on the web.

m.uber.com is completely functional as well

When did they do that? I remember being frustrated there was no web interface.
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