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Copyright wars heat up: US wins extradition of college kid from England

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Re: Copyright wars heat up: US wins extradition of college kid from England

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Post by alan_cx »

What bothers me is the way British governments, regardless of which party is in power, never ever back the British people. They almost cant wait to sling them off to who ever wants us. Our governments never back the people at all. What ever the trouble, you are one your own, they dont want to know.

In contrast, while I dislike the way the US seems to expect to pluck any world citizen it likes to gamble in its disturbing who can afford the best lawyer lottery legal process, it's government will fight tooth and nail for its citizens.

Re: Copyright wars heat up: US wins extradition of college kid from England

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Post by alan_cx »

scarmig wrote: post #13

Apart from the general ridiculousness of the US extraditing copyright infringers but not pedophiles: Do the Brits really not have any outrage over this? If the PRC successfully extradited an American for some real or imagined digital crime (say, building and hosting the website of a designated terrorist organization), we'd be in an uproar. At least, I hope we would...

No.

Sorry, Im off in to rant mode:

Us Brits just sit there and take this nonsense. If we protest or even riot, then its just merely criminals and that's that. Any "reasons" become mere "excuses", and thus dismissed. As a nation we are quite happy to sleep walk in to almost anything. Of course, when we do protest on mass, say, over 1,000,000 people marching against the Iraq war, we are just simply ignored.

We have our own SOPA on the way, possibly worse. It will sail through. Im sure we will soon have special chartered extradition planes making daily flights to ship people over to the US. The return flights will of course be empty.

Heh, just to keep Hollywood's out dated and obsolete business model in tact. Yup, the US government will prop up Hollywood using US tax payers money in the legal system. Nice little "socialist" hand out right there.

And we will still do nothing.

OK. Feel better now.

Re: Copyright wars heat up: US wins extradition of college kid from England

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Post by polshaw »

alan_cx wrote: post #91

What bothers me is the way British governments, regardless of which party is in power, never ever back the British people. They almost cant wait to sling them off to who ever wants us. Our governments never back the people at all. What ever the trouble, you are one your own, they dont want to know. In contrast, while I dislike the way the US seems to expect to pluck any world citizen it likes to gamble in its disturb…

It bothers me too (especially this case), but i think it's relevant to note that the US has never refused an extradition to the UK, but the UK has refused several to the US.

OTOH, the US has made more requests, and capital punishment.

Re: Copyright wars heat up: US wins extradition of college kid from England

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Post by shirro »

praptak wrote: post #38
desas wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brits have been complaining about this ever since the treaty was signed. I think generally we're currently more concerned about changes to our health system. Plus the USA is hardly the PRC.

> Plus the USA is hardly the PRC. Yeah, guess which of the two has more inmates per capita.

Yeah and its not like the USA does barbaric stuff like execute people.

Re: Copyright wars heat up: US wins extradition of college kid from England

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Post by Joakal »

For those that think USA only tackles people profiting from copyright infringement, there's this person extradited from Australia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hew_Griffiths

It's likely you'll deal with USA due to American copyrighted content (Hew Grifftiths), Americans visiting the website (Gambling precedent), profit or altruism, they can come after you depending on extradition treaties and the local government's support of USA.

Join the Pirate Party in your area to outlaw domain seizures among other issues. To protect your current/future business as well other entrepreneurs. No other political party is doing this to my knowledge.

Re: Copyright wars heat up: US wins extradition of college kid from England

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Post by mc32 »

gaius wrote: post #82
rickmb wrote: post #19

The current political and legal sell-out to the US makes me, and I believe many fellow-Europeans, increasingly angry in a way that is fundamentally different from any anti-American feelings for instance during the Bush-years. Disagreeing with US foreign policy is one thing, but being on the receiving end of US meddling through political and legal corruption in a way that undermines our civil rights cuts way deeper.

The extradition treaty between the US and UK is massively unbalanced - the UK needs proof to extradite an American, the US only needs suspicion to extradite a Brit.

Not according to this finding by the UK Govt: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15351357

"But Sir Scott's 486-page report finds: "In our opinion, there is no significant difference between the probable cause test and the reasonable suspicion test."

"There is no practical difference between the information submitted to and from the United States."

Re: Copyright wars heat up: US wins extradition of college kid from England

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Post by andylei »

grecy wrote: post #66
andylei wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's not what the judge thought. from the article in the telegraph: > The defence believed its strongest argument against extradition was that Mr O'Dwyer had not committed an offence under British law > However, Judge Purdy rejected the argument

I read that to mean the judge is not saying he broke British laws, just that not breaking British laws is not a valid argument.

i don't think your reading is correct. one of the basic principles of extradition agreements is that the law broken has to apply in both countries

Re: Copyright wars heat up: US wins extradition of college kid from England

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Post by nitrogen »

henrikschroder wrote: post #86
bh42222 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people are sufficiently outraged, then change should come. If not, then its up to you to educate your fellow citizens. This is an utterly useless truism. How do you fire up a significant portion of you fellow citizens over copyright issues is the question. Stating, and I'm paraphrasing here, "Just do it." does not help in any way.

> How do you fire up a significant portion of you fellow citizens over copyright issues is the question. Talk to your local pirate party. Join them. Vote for them.

Talk to your local pirate party. Join them. Vote for them.

...and find yourself the subject of outspoken and unspoken discrimination for your political affiliations. Hollywood "owns" the word "pirate." It's too easy for them to make up some story about how all pirate party members are simply criminals looking to justify their evil, greedy theft of content. Most people will stop listening and join in the hatred as soon as an authority figure gives someone an easy-to-dismiss label like "pirate" or "criminal."

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