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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by horsawlarway »

pertymcpert wrote: post #570
chupasaurus wrote: post #567

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The definition of WWW is that it consists of web resources being accessible over Internet via HTTP. Also the term URL is a core part of WWW conception.

Yes you are very right. The App Store is what Apple calls their way to put programs onto your iPhone. These programs however are not websites because you don't access them with your browser (like Safari or Chrome for example).

It's almost like there's two things here, and they do mostly the same thing, but someone... I don't know... "split" them.

Divided them, if you will. Made it so that there is a closed system of software that only users on certain "approved" hardware can access and use, and also locked those users into that system by preventing real competition.

I certainly am unable to see how that is entirely related to this conversation. It's a real puzzle to me...

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by mthoms »

SgtBaker wrote: post #417
rhn_mk1 wrote: post #144

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Can you show some sources for how Brave is scamming people out of privacy (or whatever else "privacy scam" means)?

Sure. https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-aff...

While that move was bad, it had zero to do with privacy.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by mrtksn »

horsawlarway wrote: post #578
mrtksn wrote: post #424

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I see the confusion, that's not the web.

In all seriousness - which half of the new Google WEI divided web will you so confidently declare "That's not the web" for? Because this is the half Apple broke off to sell as iOS apps. A domain that is entirely exclusive to apple, and requires all sorts of hoops to gain access to (including purchasing Apple specific hardware). Further - they enforced that domain by strictly locking down down the capabilities of lite…

Easy, the part that doesn't work on Firefox.

The problem isn't that other clients exist, a company that wants to have complete control of the UI can make an App that ensures it, they can deep link into it - no problem.

The problem starts when the main platform used to consume the web starts having specialised features which make some websites work only on this one platform because the developers build specifically for this one platform.

And no, this is not the same for the AppStore because the AppStore is not the web. Apple controls a minority share of the market, its not universal and it's not supposed to be universal - its a an additional distribution channel of content to Apple specific devices.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by pertymcpert »

horsawlarway wrote: post #581
pertymcpert wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you are very right. The App Store is what Apple calls their way to put programs onto your iPhone. These programs however are not websites because you don't access them with your browser (like Safari or Chrome for example).

It's almost like there's two things here, and they do mostly the same thing, but someone... I don't know... "split" them. Divided them, if you will. Made it so that there is a closed system of software that only users on certain "approved" hardware can access and use, and also locked those users into that system by preventing real competition. I certainly am unable to see how that is entirely related to this conversa…

I think you're not being serious, but I can see what you're trying to say. I don't think I agree because if you don't have an iPhone like my mum does, you can still do everything on internet. You can look up recipes and do all sorts of work. To her it's not really divided because everything already works. Apple hasn't done her any harm.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by pertymcpert »

horsawlarway wrote: post #580
pertymcpert wrote: post #550

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So that's a website, but if you look at the URL, it's on the apple.com domain name. So that doesn't really count as "the web". The "App Store" might look like a website to you but it's actually what we call a "native" app, which means that it's not a website at all but a computer program that runs on your iPhone if you have one.

Oh fuck, really? Gosh, I'm so silly. I hardly even noticed that the web is also a distribution platform for perfectly acceptable applications. They come with their own code and logo and everything! They even... wait for it... run locally on your iPhone if you have one! Except they don't do it so well on iPhones - because Apple refused to implement or support a bunch of features that might have threatened their revenu…

I don't feel like you're being nice.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by threeseed »

collinmanderson wrote: post #565
threeseed wrote: post #233

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Use Safari for 99% and Chrome for the odd website that has issues. Safari is faster, better privacy and requires far less resources e.g. battery life, memory.

What do you use for ad blocking on Safari?

AdGuard. But there are many others available.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by juniperplant »

sph wrote: post #142

What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

Some points on why I switched from Firefox to Chrome:

- It "failed" while trying to use Google Meet for work. I don't remember the details of the incident, but it was embarrassing enough that it made me switch, at least for work stuff

- No Chromecast support

- Buggier than Chrome in general: last I remember was an issue with page scaling when printing

- No desktop integration of PWAs (i.e. launcher icon, standalone window). This is what I missed the most as a Linux desktop user.

- Worse performance than Chrome, at least on Android. Firefox was freezing often and even causing my phone to... restart randomly. This is unacceptable.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by sph »

kesildur wrote: post #410
sph wrote: post #142

What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

Firefox dropped support for PWAs. :(

Check out the FirefoxPWA project on Github

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by froggit »

pertymcpert wrote: post #585
horsawlarway wrote: post #580

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Oh fuck, really? Gosh, I'm so silly. I hardly even noticed that the web is also a distribution platform for perfectly acceptable applications. They come with their own code and logo and everything! They even... wait for it... run locally on your iPhone if you have one! Except they don't do it so well on iPhones - because Apple refused to implement or support a bunch of features that might have threatened their revenu…

I don't feel like you're being nice.

Read it assuming the blatant sarcasm and cynicism are meant to be helpful "fun facts" and it reads like the author is being mean to themself. Text is there to let you accidentally intentionally misinterpret things due to the lack of intonation that comes with speech.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by magicalhippo »

filchermcurr wrote: post #512
magicalhippo wrote: post #392

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I have not found a good way besides restarting FF. There is an extension but it wasn't reliable, as in unloaded active tabs and not unloading inactive tabs. IIRC the extension API didn't have sensible hooks so it was difficult.

Try Auto Tab Discard. I've been using it for years to good effect and I'm one of those crazy people with thousands of tabs open.

Pretty sure that's the one I used. Granted it's been a couple of years since I stopped, so can give it another whirl.
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