As someone working in the ad fraud detection space, Google has been hostile for quite a while. Making things extra difficult just to get more ad spend quota on their platforms. First User-Agent reduction (I agree with some points). Later making a perfect Headless automated browser that shows no difference against a real browser (making bot detection nearly impossible without captcha's). Last weeks by removing any kind of WebView signal in the browser so it makes impossible to detect between in-app traffic/fraud/Chrome Mobile. Could write a lot more about other stuff and the implications but the whole picture is not looking great.
A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Safari caused me by far the most issues, back when I was doing frontend in ~2017/2018, in terms of how it complied with web standards (I wasn't as fussed at the standards it didn't support - at least I knew!) and rendered the web application I was working on across desktop, iPad and iPhone. I spent more time chasing Safari bugs and rendering idiosyncrasies than I did dealing with IE11, frankly.
Most of the problems I faced in the projects I work are caused by developers working only and exclusively with Chrome and not bothering to check their work on Safari and Firefox. The issues that were found with Safari were easy to fix or work around. Nothing compares to the painful process during ~2005-2010 when it came to support IE6.
Safari testing requires a mac/iP*
Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#233What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…
For a Mac M1 user who wants a lightweight browser, what would you recommend: 1. Safari (with this, I have trouble with some websites, particularly Google ones) 2. Firefox (good, but has been a memory hog in the past) 3. Brave (like that it's Chromium, but I worry about the odd features like crypto) 4. Edge (I just downloaded it. leaning toward this choice)
Use Safari for 99% and Chrome for the odd website that has issues.
Safari is faster, better privacy and requires far less resources e.g. battery life, memory.
Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#234What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…
Many of my work tools require a browser extension that's only compatible with Chrome. The publishers don't plan to support Firefox or any other browser. I can do without these tools (not an easy task) but not my coworkers.
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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#235What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…
For a Mac M1 user who wants a lightweight browser, what would you recommend: 1. Safari (with this, I have trouble with some websites, particularly Google ones) 2. Firefox (good, but has been a memory hog in the past) 3. Brave (like that it's Chromium, but I worry about the odd features like crypto) 4. Edge (I just downloaded it. leaning toward this choice)
I've been using Brave on an older Mac for nearly as long as it's been out, no complaints. I especially value getting adblock without need of an extension (which would introduce third-party vulnerability).
Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#236What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…
I would love to use Firefox, Brave, even Safari, but I'm quite literally locked into the Google eco-system. My work emails are G-Suite, so having chrome means I can sync data from sheets, slides, docs etc. I stupidly moved everything personal to a Gmail address too back in 2016 when things weren't looking so grim, and cloud only was a hype so I'm kind of locked into using chrome for personal use too as I can't get aw…
Can you clarify why being locked into the Google ecosystem locks you into Chrome? Brave is a Chrome fork which seems to stay up to date afaict.
Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#237What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…
For a Mac M1 user who wants a lightweight browser, what would you recommend: 1. Safari (with this, I have trouble with some websites, particularly Google ones) 2. Firefox (good, but has been a memory hog in the past) 3. Brave (like that it's Chromium, but I worry about the odd features like crypto) 4. Edge (I just downloaded it. leaning toward this choice)
Not on your list: Orion Browser by Kagi.
Very fast. Zero telemetry. Lightweight, natively built with WebKit, made for you and your Mac. Industry-leading battery life, privacy respecting by design and native support for web extensions.
Note that Edge is more or less Chrome except account / telemetry going to Microsoft not Google.
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#238Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#239What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…
I need translate on iOS. Chrome and Edge are the only browsers which offer that, and Chrome is much better than Edge. I hope Firefox brings native translation to iOS soon. I'll be making the jump when they do.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one is taking away your freedom. They're pointing out you're not helping by making the choice you've made. You're free to choose not to help.
My games, which are not using any special Chrome features, work horribly on Firefox and not at all on Safari. Until that is fixed no amount of bullying will make me switch. Not that it's a successful tactic to begin with.
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