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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by cout »

mrtksn wrote: post #332
spoiler wrote: post #246

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> Remember the "Safari is the new IE" narrative? Just because Safari doesn't support some API doesn't make it IE It wasn't because they had poor feature adoption. It was because they'd tend to adopt features in a way that's incompatible with other browsers (of the top of my head, handling of localStorage in private browsing). It was a bit of a "fuck you" to devs since you often had to do browser detection for Safari…

Apple probably have similar motives to MS when it comes to crippling the browser and enforcing its own rendering engine in iOS and that is to protects its app market. However, Apple did not attempt to divide the web then use its dominant position to make all the content only compatible with their stuff. With the IE situation, you couldn't just download Firefox and live happy thereafter because every website was made…

Safari doesn't feel battery efficient to me. If a web site has video ads, I can watch my battery drain to zero in real time. Orion does better since it doesn't play these ads, but it would be better if I could disable whatever video type is causing this behavior altogether.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by firen777 »

gtk40 wrote: post #493
profmonocle wrote: post #311

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For me it's the ecosystem. I like my desktop browser syncing with my Android browser, and I really like built in chromecast support in my browser. I know that Firefox has a mobile version with sync, but last time I tried it, I didn't care for it. I know there have been some attempts to bring chromecast support to Firefox via extensions, but last I tried it it was very buggy. But it's been many years since I tried eit…

Honestly Firefox is the biggest thing I miss on Android since switching to iOS. It supports uBlock Origin which makes mobile browsing so much nicer. I haven't found a better mobile web experience on iOS yet.

> It supports uBlock Origin which makes mobile browsing so much nicer

This was the primary reason I switched from Chrome to Firefox (mobile only initially, then full-on switch due to my desire to sync between mobile and PC). The later manifest v3 push only further validate my choice.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by jen20 »

helloooooooo wrote: post #412
jen20 wrote: post #213

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The thing they are doing right is being imposed upon people at every turn by every Google property, no?

How? If I own a windows machine it comes with Edgium. If I own an apple machine it has Safari. If I use a desktop Linux distribution, it likely comes with Firefox. If I use a Chromebook, it comes with Chrome(which is highly integrated into the OS itself). Google isn’t imposing anything. Sure when you navigate to a Google site, it may nag you to download Chrome. Microsoft does the same on a Windows box. There is no im…

Nagging is both imposition and compulsion.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by collinmanderson »

satao wrote: post #224
hliyan wrote: post #207

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For a Mac M1 user who wants a lightweight browser, what would you recommend: 1. Safari (with this, I have trouble with some websites, particularly Google ones) 2. Firefox (good, but has been a memory hog in the past) 3. Brave (like that it's Chromium, but I worry about the odd features like crypto) 4. Edge (I just downloaded it. leaning toward this choice)

Safari for personal use, Firefox for development (with sometimes Chrome's devtools when needed). Firefox is much less of a memory hog than Chrome, in my use case. Safari is the best for browsing. I just don't like its devtools.

What do you use for ad blocking on Safari?

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by collinmanderson »

threeseed wrote: post #233
hliyan wrote: post #207

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For a Mac M1 user who wants a lightweight browser, what would you recommend: 1. Safari (with this, I have trouble with some websites, particularly Google ones) 2. Firefox (good, but has been a memory hog in the past) 3. Brave (like that it's Chromium, but I worry about the odd features like crypto) 4. Edge (I just downloaded it. leaning toward this choice)

Use Safari for 99% and Chrome for the odd website that has issues. Safari is faster, better privacy and requires far less resources e.g. battery life, memory.

What do you use for ad blocking on Safari?

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by collinmanderson »

sph wrote: post #142

What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

I've been trying out Firefox on MacOS this week. Been using Chrome since ~2009, Firefox before that. Here are some annoyances so far:

- No download bar to show actual downloads (downloaded files are hidden under a menu icon)

- No built-in page translate

- Search: is in bottom left rather than top-right which is pretty standard in most UIs.

- Search: would be nice if "Highlight All" were on by default (though it's caused me problems on Chrome with large documents so I can see off by default having some advantage.)

- Search: most of those options should probably be hidden under "advanced" or some expandable menu.

- I don't like the scrolling tab view where I can only see less than 10 tabs at once. I'd rather they get really tiny like on Chrome rather than totally hidden. Otherwise it's unclear to me at a glance how many tabs I have open.

- Youtube seems to have higher CPU usage compared to chrome (at least on MacOS x86, non-fullscreen)

- Tabs are too easy to mute and seem less intuitive which ones are playing.

- Dev tools doesn't have the “lighthouse” audit tool.

- Would be nice if cmd+shift+n shortcut matched webkit/blink behavior. I'm slowly learning to use cmd+shift+p instead, but being consistent with all the other browsers would be nice.

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Post by chupasaurus »

pertymcpert wrote: post #550
horsawlarway wrote: post #422

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https://www.apple.com/app-store/

So that's a website, but if you look at the URL, it's on the apple.com domain name. So that doesn't really count as "the web". The "App Store" might look like a website to you but it's actually what we call a "native" app, which means that it's not a website at all but a computer program that runs on your iPhone if you have one.

The definition of WWW is that it consists of web resources being accessible over Internet via HTTP. Also the term URL is a core part of WWW conception.

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Post by nurple »

hbn wrote: post #363
mrtksn wrote: post #332

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Apple probably have similar motives to MS when it comes to crippling the browser and enforcing its own rendering engine in iOS and that is to protects its app market. However, Apple did not attempt to divide the web then use its dominant position to make all the content only compatible with their stuff. With the IE situation, you couldn't just download Firefox and live happy thereafter because every website was made…

It could also be argued that right now Google's domination of the web allows them to throw their weight around and introduce bad "standards" just so everything can be moved to the web, which again, they basically own. For example the "standard" implementation of web push is straight up bad. I don't think websites should be able to throw popups asking users with enable notifications, because users are so used to accep…

I love how sites are now taking the mobile strategy of checking first and then showing a sugary popup explaining that they’re about to pop the native prompt for perms, and why. It brings me joy to click affirmative on those so I can permablock by clicking no on the native prompt.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by dizhn »

mrtksn wrote: post #57

Remember the "Safari is the new IE" narrative? Just because Safari doesn't support some API doesn't make it IE, IE wasn't an inferior browser at the beginning either. What made IE the IE everyone hates was its departure from standards(?) and enforcing its own vision of the web thanks to its enormous market share. On IE's case, MS probably stagnated it to prevent competition against its desktop Apps business and on Go…

The standards yes. But everybody was targeting IE first so that wasn't a huge issue for the end user. What I remember made people move away from it was its willingless to just execute everything from the web (i.e ActiveX) and how insecure it had become due to this.

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Post by pertymcpert »

chupasaurus wrote: post #567
pertymcpert wrote: post #550

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So that's a website, but if you look at the URL, it's on the apple.com domain name. So that doesn't really count as "the web". The "App Store" might look like a website to you but it's actually what we call a "native" app, which means that it's not a website at all but a computer program that runs on your iPhone if you have one.

The definition of WWW is that it consists of web resources being accessible over Internet via HTTP. Also the term URL is a core part of WWW conception.

Yes you are very right. The App Store is what Apple calls their way to put programs onto your iPhone. These programs however are not websites because you don't access them with your browser (like Safari or Chrome for example).
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