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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by tux1968 »

rjmunro wrote: post #381
tux1968 wrote: post #370

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> The biggest blocker for me has been the lack of convenient profile switching. Switching profiles can be as easy as restarting the browser. For instance, you could create an icon on your desktop for each profile, or just a single icon to run : firefox --ProfileManager And you'll get a menu to choose which profile you want to use. > I also can't open links in anything but the default profile Interesting. Running on L…

"can be as easy as restarting the browser" That is nothing like "convenient profile switching".

> That is nothing like "convenient profile switching".

It takes a few seconds on my machine, and has the same result as switching profiles. But I accept your situation may be different, and would be interested to know what you see as its deficiencies.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by depressedpanda »

kingrazor wrote: post #515
treis wrote: post #369

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>you couldn't just download Firefox ... Apple hasn't done that Apple has banned any browser engine except Safari from iOS.

Would that not mean you can't install any browser other than Safari? Because I'm running Firefox right now on iOS. Or does "ban" mean something else in this context?

If your point is that you can run a Webkit-based browser branded as Firefox, you are correct.

However, it's not using Gecko, so it's not actually Firefox. It's a browser whose web capabilities are controlled by Apple rather than Mozilla.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by Symmetry »

filchermcurr wrote: post #510
Symmetry wrote: post #508

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I tried to switch a few times but I can't replicate my custom search experience on Firefox and I really miss browsing without it. On a new tab 'a product' and I've got an Amazon search for the product. 'w topic' and I've searched Wikipedia for the topic. 'wt place' and I've searched for the weather at a place. 'm place' and I've searched Google maps for the place. 'd topic' and I've searched DuckDuckGo for the topic.…

Those are search shortcuts in Firefox. Pretty easy to add any that you want: Go to settings, Search, Search Shortcuts. Set the keyword to what you want for the search engine of your choice. Then you can use that directly from the address bar.

Yes, adding search shortcuts is easy but IIRC involved more keystrokes and didn't support search suggestions from history. I also tried some extensions but had my own troubles with those.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by bfrog »

Chrome is the new IE, its become such a dominant thing people forget there's other web engines out there.

As soon as there's a monopoly on how the web is viewed, especially by a company who's best interest isn't in an open web, all bets are off on how they operate.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by bagacrap »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #439
bagacrap wrote: post #420

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It's one dev, out of hundreds/thousands! At least one web platform lead from the Chrome team is on record saying that the proposal could never move past the experimentation phase. Do you think it's impossible for one bad^H^H^H clueless apple to slip through the interview process? Isn't it a good thing that a company as large as Google still allows individuals to experiment with their ideas?

Isn't Yoav overall Chrome Lead?

What did Yoav say? The blink-dev thread is full of crucial nuggets like:

> In order to start even an origin trial in Chrome, this proposal would need approval from API owners like myself, and the current state of the proposal is not something I'd personally approve due to many of the concerns being raised.

... but only if you look for them.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by tomrod »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #439
bagacrap wrote: post #420

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It's one dev, out of hundreds/thousands! At least one web platform lead from the Chrome team is on record saying that the proposal could never move past the experimentation phase. Do you think it's impossible for one bad^H^H^H clueless apple to slip through the interview process? Isn't it a good thing that a company as large as Google still allows individuals to experiment with their ideas?

Isn't Yoav overall Chrome Lead?

I don't think the dev's name was Yoav.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by colordrops »

blibble wrote: post #520
colordrops wrote: post #509

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Yes and? How does that contradict my original point?

it doesn't but you're missing the entire point if brave doesn't implement WEI then brave ceases to be a functional web browser it will have voluntarily removed itself from the market

I didn't miss that point. I'm well aware of that point - WEI is a nightmare. This thread is about something else though.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by moomoo11 »

sph wrote: post #142

What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

I wouldn’t mind being in that circle. At least I’d be with people who are smart and practical. Not extremists or complete ignoramuses.

Whatever chrome doesn’t or does doesn’t matter to me. I just use it to do my job and occasionally shop on Amazon or watch Netflix. Or come here on HN. I visit maybe ten unique websites.. If chrome starts to suck big like IE back in the day then I’ll use some other browser that works best for all the sites I visit.

As long as it works best for most sites I visit, that’s fine by me.

I have a life outside the computer, which is funded by the computer. I can just turn it off after work and do an infinite number of other things.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by bagacrap »

tomrod wrote: post #456
bagacrap wrote: post #420

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It's one dev, out of hundreds/thousands! At least one web platform lead from the Chrome team is on record saying that the proposal could never move past the experimentation phase. Do you think it's impossible for one bad^H^H^H clueless apple to slip through the interview process? Isn't it a good thing that a company as large as Google still allows individuals to experiment with their ideas?

I'm an economist -- I focus on incentives. What I see of the one bad^H^H^H clueless apple is that their incentive with WEI aligns with a monopolist's goal to vertically and horizontally integrate. Google has proven, time and again, that their "don't be evil" mantra is long out of sync with what a layperson would feel is evil. Hence, it makes sense to expect they will behave as any other company. Perhaps one thinks WE…

You are moving your own goalposts. You stated that you couldn't believe how out of touch a single dev was. Now you are claiming that Google as a company is acting in a certain way. And yet the feedback from higher ranking members of the Chrome/Blink team has been negative towards this proposal.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by spoiler »

mrtksn wrote: post #332
spoiler wrote: post #246

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> Remember the "Safari is the new IE" narrative? Just because Safari doesn't support some API doesn't make it IE It wasn't because they had poor feature adoption. It was because they'd tend to adopt features in a way that's incompatible with other browsers (of the top of my head, handling of localStorage in private browsing). It was a bit of a "fuck you" to devs since you often had to do browser detection for Safari…

Apple probably have similar motives to MS when it comes to crippling the browser and enforcing its own rendering engine in iOS and that is to protects its app market. However, Apple did not attempt to divide the web then use its dominant position to make all the content only compatible with their stuff. With the IE situation, you couldn't just download Firefox and live happy thereafter because every website was made…

> because every website was made to work in IE and any other browser would simply fail to display the webpages properly either due to the way HTML/CSS is handled or due to some proprietary technology.

Ah. I know of this, but I've never experienced it first hand.

This is more of a nuisanc for users than devs though, but I see what you meant now.

Maybe I am too young, but I vaguely remember using IE5.5/6 and it already slowly being slowly phased out. I also remember the struggles as it tried to stay relevant. I can't even remember a website that was made "for IE"; all I remember is sites saying IE is poorly supported and to download literally anything else lol

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