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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by reitanqild »

insanitybit wrote: post #260
sph wrote: post #142

What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

Manifest v3 has been delayed and was/is pretty legitimate, I don't think most people really know wtf they're talking about when it comes to v3. JPEGXL doesn't exactly seem like that big of a deal and is now being developed again - sounds fine, Chrome went "seems like no one wants this" and then people said "we want this" and now it's being worked on. WEI isn't even properly proposed yet, it's so early. So these 3 thi…

> Mozilla won't earn me as a user until their CEO is removed

So use LibreWolf like me:

Up to date, based on Firefox, but without Mozilla getting a cent.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by helloooooooo »

jen20 wrote: post #213
helloooooooo wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do end users hate Chrome? Or is this just the perspective bias of the crowds that frequent HN? It still has a broad market share, and even Chromium forks are not making a dent. They are evidently doing something right.

The thing they are doing right is being imposed upon people at every turn by every Google property, no?

How? If I own a windows machine it comes with Edgium. If I own an apple machine it has Safari. If I use a desktop Linux distribution, it likely comes with Firefox. If I use a Chromebook, it comes with Chrome(which is highly integrated into the OS itself). Google isn’t imposing anything. Sure when you navigate to a Google site, it may nag you to download Chrome. Microsoft does the same on a Windows box. There is no imposition or compulsion involved.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by refulgentis »

8K832d7tNmiQ wrote: post #402
omgmajk wrote: post #209

* The "Manifest v3" sabotage of content blocking extensions: https://archive.is/i2vGD * The attempted sabotage of #JPEGXL: https://archive.is/2ihEV * #WebEnvironmentIntegrity a.k.a. #DRM for whole websites would hurt the web, #opensource browsers and OSes: https://archive.is/S912x

Need to mention WebUSB[1] too since it's only implemented and forced on Chromium. [1]: https://caniuse.com/webusb

WebUSB is a hostile move? It's pretty awesome tbh.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by r00fus »

andrewla wrote: post #374
sph wrote: post #142

What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

> It's 2023, Safari and Firefox have been very good for a while. This has not been my experience. Every once in a while I try to make the switch (to Firefox because I'm not generally a mac user, but I use safari on iOS and I'm basically resigned to its limitations) Slow rendering is for sure a problem. Buggy rendering is very common -- maybe the site, or maybe the browser, who knows, but anecdotally I've had a lot of…

Name the sites because I find Firefox to be faster and more compliant

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by horsawlarway »

mrtksn wrote: post #409
horsawlarway wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, Apple did not attempt to divide the web then use its dominant position to make all the content only compatible with their stuff. Excuse me? We are talking about "App store" Apple here, right? The Apple that prevents any 3rd party browsers on their platform so devs have to support safari? The Apple that refused to support progressive web apps to push devs into their store? The Apple which literally won't le…

We are talking about browsers actually. The grunge that web developers have against App Store is baseless because its what saved the open web so far. Check out the linked article, the moment Chrome have its way into iOS, the web will die because Google will have IE level dominance. The web as we know it goes away, the browser becomes an AppStore where everything is optimised for data collection and ad serve. We alrea…

Yes - we are. I'm talking about how Apple acts as a huge resistive force by dividing the web to push their app ecosystem (biggest growth in revenue for Apple is digital/store services).

You do understand that a browser is an application?

And that Apple cripples literally ALL of them on iOS to push devs to their own non-compatible app ecosystem?

How in the ever-loving fuck is that not dividing the web in your eyes?

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by simondotau »

mrtksn wrote: post #57

Remember the "Safari is the new IE" narrative? Just because Safari doesn't support some API doesn't make it IE, IE wasn't an inferior browser at the beginning either. What made IE the IE everyone hates was its departure from standards(?) and enforcing its own vision of the web thanks to its enormous market share. On IE's case, MS probably stagnated it to prevent competition against its desktop Apps business and on Go…

> What made IE the IE everyone hates was its departure from standards(?)

Google is of course much smarter than Microsoft. Google avoids this by declaring everything Chrome does to be a standard. And then far from being criticised from departing from the standard, their competitors get criticised for not implementing whatever thing Chrome came up with yesterday.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by SgtBaker »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #144
SgtBaker wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave is just a privacy scam. And it's also Chromium based So you might as well be using Chrome.

Can you show some sources for how Brave is scamming people out of privacy (or whatever else "privacy scam" means)?

Sure. https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-aff...

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by reitanqild »

magicalhippo wrote: post #225
hliyan wrote: post #207

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For a Mac M1 user who wants a lightweight browser, what would you recommend: 1. Safari (with this, I have trouble with some websites, particularly Google ones) 2. Firefox (good, but has been a memory hog in the past) 3. Brave (like that it's Chromium, but I worry about the odd features like crypto) 4. Edge (I just downloaded it. leaning toward this choice)

> Firefox (good, but has been a memory hog in the past) I use Firefox for almost everything, and as much as I like it, it's sadly back to being a memory hog. The reason seems to be the process-per-origin-site thing that was introduced to protect against some attack, which causes my Firefox to have 20-50 processes, each with significant memory usage.

I use LibreWolf (a rebranded Firefox clone with less tracking) with TST and just recently I exported a few hundred tabs I didn't care for anymore so now I am down to 2-300 tabs.

I don't think it is as lean as some versions of old Firefox, but I have no problems with 500 - 1000 tabs (and I often run it next to a full IDE + VSCode + Firefox ++).

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by mrtksn »

horsawlarway wrote: post #415
mrtksn wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are talking about browsers actually. The grunge that web developers have against App Store is baseless because its what saved the open web so far. Check out the linked article, the moment Chrome have its way into iOS, the web will die because Google will have IE level dominance. The web as we know it goes away, the browser becomes an AppStore where everything is optimised for data collection and ad serve. We alrea…

Yes - we are. I'm talking about how Apple acts as a huge resistive force by dividing the web to push their app ecosystem (biggest growth in revenue for Apple is digital/store services). You do understand that a browser is an application? And that Apple cripples literally ALL of them on iOS to push devs to their own non-compatible app ecosystem? How in the ever-loving fuck is that not dividing the web in your eyes?

Please point me to the halves of the web which are divided by Apple.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by bagacrap »

tomrod wrote: post #265
omgmajk wrote: post #209

* The "Manifest v3" sabotage of content blocking extensions: https://archive.is/i2vGD * The attempted sabotage of #JPEGXL: https://archive.is/2ihEV * #WebEnvironmentIntegrity a.k.a. #DRM for whole websites would hurt the web, #opensource browsers and OSes: https://archive.is/S912x

> * #WebEnvironmentIntegrity a.k.a. #DRM for whole websites would hurt the web, #opensource browsers and OSes What really blew my mind was how out of touch the dev guiding the WEI proposal is, in relation to how dangerous this implementation would be.

It's one dev, out of hundreds/thousands!

At least one web platform lead from the Chrome team is on record saying that the proposal could never move past the experimentation phase.

Do you think it's impossible for one bad^H^H^H clueless apple to slip through the interview process?

Isn't it a good thing that a company as large as Google still allows individuals to experiment with their ideas?

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