Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

Post by judge2020 » Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 5:25 PM UTC

rvnx wrote: post #61

shagie wrote: post #35

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Does enabling FSD come with any liability / terms of service? If it is backdoor enabled and the vehicle crashes, what is Tesla's liability? If the OTA patches to the system are needed and the car is running the base, unupdated (buggy) build, what is Tesla's liability? Alternatively, if a vehicle is running software that hasn't gone through Tesla's subscription how much of the liability for any software problems will…

It never has been Tesla’s responsibility if the FSD fails (whereas for Mercedes they take responsibility)

Post by Keirmot » Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 5:25 PM UTC

wahnfrieden wrote: post #15

johnl1479 wrote: post #7

I'm torn. On one hand, I absolutely think that a capability available in the vehicle/device when you purchased it should be available for you to use, and not behind a software lock (heated seats, etc). On the other hand, an "upgrade" or 100% new software delivered via OTA (self driving, etc) seems a little more like it should be a separate thing.

Does that mean all feature-gating iOS App Store IAP should be unlocked for iPhone owners?

Post by asynchronous » Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 5:26 PM UTC

theluketaylor wrote: post #54

Libcat99 wrote: post #14

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I'm somewhat torn too. IBM and I'm sure others have shipped enterprise hardware for years that was partially locked. You might get a machine with 16 cpus but you only paid for 8, for example, but you could license the rest as you grew. It seems a little similar and it was in no way underhanded, everyone knew what the deal was. However I'll echo what another poster said. I say Tesla should be free to sell whatever the…

I don’t mind hardware shipping locked and being an optional fee to unlock. I have paid for the rear heated seats in my model 3. What I’m vehemently opposed to is ongoing fees for things that don’t have ongoing costs. BMW wants to charge monthly for seat heaters or carplay, but those things are not a service and don’t have ongoing costs for BMW to provide. If anything creating an ongoing software lock creates an avail…

Post by Zetice » Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 5:27 PM UTC

tadfisher wrote: post #49

Zetice wrote: post #30

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Okay great, but now the lowest cost of the car is an extra $10k because the manufacturing just got a lot more complicated as a result of not being able to build every car the same way.

Then customers have the choice to purchase a vehicle from a manufacturer with more scruples who is willing to sell those features without charging to "unlock" them.

Post by blacksmith_tb » Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 5:27 PM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #24

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #5

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Hmm, is the code already present? Would enabling it be putting unexpected load on Tesla's servers? If it's just a local feature (like the heated seats) that's shipped turned off, I'd say enabling it doesn't feel especially different to me (trusting it to drive you around of course is different).

Self driving has an ongoing cost to Tesla for them to keep it updated and to improving upon its performance. It’s only a subscription because it doesn’t make financial sense to purchase it outright for $15k up-front (with a 6% interest rate, you’d need to own the car for 102 months to pay less than paying for the FSD subscription for those 102 months, and it costs more per month in your loan than the subscription htt…