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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by tommiegannert »

Fatnino wrote: post #130
tommiegannert wrote: post #64

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IE was absolutely hated for not evolving. I'm curious what "its own vision" was, other than "do as little as possible, while Mozilla and Opera keeps pushing forward." Now, this is from the perspective of the web developer. I don't think IE was ever hated the same way from the end-user perspective. Chrome is still innovating, but now end-users hate it, because it's trying to be too much. The "new IE" hat still belongs…

When I learned html as a kid in 1998 IE was better than Netscape in my mind. Netscape had lame while IE had the very cool instead.

Touché, the blink vs marquee was a big thing.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by horsawlarway »

mrtksn wrote: post #419
horsawlarway wrote: post #415

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Yes - we are. I'm talking about how Apple acts as a huge resistive force by dividing the web to push their app ecosystem (biggest growth in revenue for Apple is digital/store services). You do understand that a browser is an application? And that Apple cripples literally ALL of them on iOS to push devs to their own non-compatible app ecosystem? How in the ever-loving fuck is that not dividing the web in your eyes?

Please point me to the halves of the web which are divided by Apple.

https://www.apple.com/app-store/

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Post by Workaccount2 »

burkaman wrote: post #400
insanitybit wrote: post #383

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> Do you have any concerns about Google's CEO's salary ($226 million) or failed products ( https://killedbygoogle.com/ )? The question here isn't "is Google's CEO bad?" it's "Should I be using Firefox on the assumption that it will help create a 'free' web?". I don't care about anyone else's salary. And no I don't care about their other failed products, it's totally irrelevant.

Ok, but your points have nothing to do with that question. I agree, salary and unrelated products are irrelevant to this discussion. And nobody is asking you to "bet on" Firefox. If you start using it and the company somehow collapses, you could switch to another browser in less than 10 minutes. You don't need to buy stock in Mozilla or something.

Bringing up Google has nothing to do with the conversation...it's just whataboutism in the purest sense.

Mozilla has a terrible CEO, Google has nothing to do with that.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by nequo »

insanitybit wrote: post #351
another_bear wrote: post #326

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(I'll just copy/paste from a previous comment) 1. Under her leadership Mozilla has lost virtually all of its users. It has been reduced to less than 10% of what it had before, maybe worse - I haven't kept up. 2. At the beginning of Covid, a time when remote work was on the rise and tech valuations were through the roof, a time when the browser was more important than ever, she took her largest payout and fired hundre…

Are you essentially saying that you refuse to use Firefox because most people don’t use Firefox?

What do Firefox’s enterprise market share and Mozilla’s initiatives that are unrelated to Firefox have to do with whether Firefox would work for you as a browser?

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by danparsonson »

insanitybit wrote: post #383
burkaman wrote: post #368

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Do you have any concerns about Google's CEO's salary ($226 million) or failed products ( https://killedbygoogle.com/ )?

> Do you have any concerns about Google's CEO's salary ($226 million) or failed products ( https://killedbygoogle.com/ )? The question here isn't "is Google's CEO bad?" it's "Should I be using Firefox on the assumption that it will help create a 'free' web?". I don't care about anyone else's salary. And no I don't care about their other failed products, it's totally irrelevant.

> 4. Every initiative Mozilla has come out with has completely failed to gain traction.

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> And no I don't care about their other failed products, it's totally irrelevant.

It's quite hard to take your ideological stance seriously.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by nequo »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #423
burkaman wrote: post #400

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Ok, but your points have nothing to do with that question. I agree, salary and unrelated products are irrelevant to this discussion. And nobody is asking you to "bet on" Firefox. If you start using it and the company somehow collapses, you could switch to another browser in less than 10 minutes. You don't need to buy stock in Mozilla or something.

Bringing up Google has nothing to do with the conversation...it's just whataboutism in the purest sense. Mozilla has a terrible CEO, Google has nothing to do with that.

> Mozilla has a terrible CEO, Google has nothing to do with that.

Google only has to do with that because this thread is about GP using Chrome instead of Firefox because of Mozilla‘a CEO.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by kweingar »

sph wrote: post #220
Kiro wrote: post #203

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Why would I need an excuse? I'm free to use whatever I want.

You're free to use Chrome and work in ad tech. It's a free world. But the intended audience of my comment is the vast majority of people that dislike the direction Google is taking Chrome and the web at large, and do absolutely no effort for, quite frankly, inane reasons.

> the vast majority of people that dislike the direction Google is taking Chrome and the web at large

[citation needed]

The vast majority of people don’t care, even if you restrict the population to developers

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Post by hbn »

sphars wrote: post #243
hliyan wrote: post #207

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For a Mac M1 user who wants a lightweight browser, what would you recommend: 1. Safari (with this, I have trouble with some websites, particularly Google ones) 2. Firefox (good, but has been a memory hog in the past) 3. Brave (like that it's Chromium, but I worry about the odd features like crypto) 4. Edge (I just downloaded it. leaning toward this choice)

I suggest not using Edge personally, unless you're big into the MS ecosystem. Edge has become a bloated mess, with MS adding all sorts of random crap (bing everywhere, telemetry, a buy-now-pay-later "feature", shopping, click bait news, etc). Yes you can disable most of it and pare it down, and you're sending your data to MS instead of Google, but it has left an extremely bad taste in my mouth. I'd rather just use Ch…

Microsoft also seems to have some real quality control issues too, shipping things to stable completely broken. I tried switching to Edge full time a couple years back, and in the few months I did I experienced some really glaring bugs that they would take forever to fix. I think there was a full few months where grabbing and dragging the scrollbar would cause the scrollbar to disappear and the entire web page to jut to the side, and the only way to fix it was to close the tab and reopen it.

Between that and all the constantly increasing push of their other products I eventually gave up and switched back to Chrome.

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