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A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Why would I need an excuse? I'm free to use whatever I want.

No one is taking away your freedom. They're pointing out you're not helping by making the choice you've made. You're free to choose not to help.

My games, which are not using any special Chrome features, work horribly on Firefox and not at all on Safari. Until that is fixed no amount of bullying will make me switch. Not that it's a successful tactic to begin with.

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What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

I would love to use Firefox, Brave, even Safari, but I'm quite literally locked into the Google eco-system. My work emails are G-Suite, so having chrome means I can sync data from sheets, slides, docs etc. I stupidly moved everything personal to a Gmail address too back in 2016 when things weren't looking so grim, and cloud only was a hype so I'm kind of locked into using chrome for personal use too as I can't get away from not having Google account sync functionality.

De-googling is incredibly hard. I've used my Gmail address for everything from government voting registration, to companies house, to services I can't even remember signing up for. At this stage, I'm kind of stuck. Bonus: I own an android phone and Google services are essential. Please don't preach to me about grapheneOS or whatever, they suck without the play store.

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IE was absolutely hated for not evolving. I'm curious what "its own vision" was, other than "do as little as possible, while Mozilla and Opera keeps pushing forward." Now, this is from the perspective of the web developer. I don't think IE was ever hated the same way from the end-user perspective. Chrome is still innovating, but now end-users hate it, because it's trying to be too much. The "new IE" hat still belongs…

Do end users hate Chrome? Or is this just the perspective bias of the crowds that frequent HN? It still has a broad market share, and even Chromium forks are not making a dent. They are evidently doing something right.

The thing they are doing right is being imposed upon people at every turn by every Google property, no?

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

For a Mac M1 user who wants a lightweight browser, what would you recommend: 1. Safari (with this, I have trouble with some websites, particularly Google ones) 2. Firefox (good, but has been a memory hog in the past) 3. Brave (like that it's Chromium, but I worry about the odd features like crypto) 4. Edge (I just downloaded it. leaning toward this choice)

Firefox is working great for me on the M1, have not noticed any issues worth complaining about.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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WebUSB is pretty useful though, I know people who've used it to control all sorts of devices in an easily accessible way. Google themselves use it for updating Android devices, via making an ADB connection from their update webpage. I don't see how it could be classified as hostile, as it's adding a feature rather than taking features away.

I’ve seen keyboards that allow firmware upgrades & configuration over WebUSB. This covers not just Linux but even smaller OSs as well as the audience using Android tablets as a PC or whatever.

WebMIDI is also a boon for anybody working with external audio gear on Linux, some companies like Novation went all in and provide web-based firmware updaters and configuration tools. For other gear I still need to boot up a Windows VM and fiddle with USB forwarding.

The permission prompt in Firefox is definitely sensible though (especially for SysEx), not sure if Chrome added that as well.

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You can install adons from the Chrome store in Brave.

I think the point isn’t necessarily to not use chrome but to use something not based on chromium in general, which brave is, e.g. Firefox or Safari.

In the grand scale of thinks, Blink-based browsers are a little better than just using Chrome.

Of course, browsers with an alternative engine like Gecko or Webkit are preferable to keep the web open.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Browser wars tend to get preachy at times and border on religious fanaticism. Chromium is free to fork. That's the only thing that matters. I'm not going to give up sweet convenience so that I can make a claim that am sticking it to the man. That's ridiculous.

These days browsers are good at following standards, but it's very important what's actually in the standards. There is potential for Google to use Chrome's market share to move the standards in a user hostile way.

Chromium being open source is good, but it's not everything.

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What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

For a Mac M1 user who wants a lightweight browser, what would you recommend: 1. Safari (with this, I have trouble with some websites, particularly Google ones) 2. Firefox (good, but has been a memory hog in the past) 3. Brave (like that it's Chromium, but I worry about the odd features like crypto) 4. Edge (I just downloaded it. leaning toward this choice)

3. seems irrelevant and not sure why you worry

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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I have been using Brave for about a year. Dont miss Firefox or Chrome.

I have a serious question about Brave. I would be glad to use it, but I am a bit scared of the fat that it is linked to a crypto (I didn't dive in the tokenomics, but maybe the team is driven by the money ? or other shady things ?), and also the fact that I go ads for this browser. Getting an ad for the browser make me question: what are their incentives ? Why would they invest money to attract people ? What is their…

The crypto feature is a way to allow web content to be paid for, but it's super easy to turn off.

From my perspective it seems that the current FF CEO basically did a hostile takeover of Firefox, that involved maximising their personal wages. Firefox is absolutely for profit, the $millions the CEO takes is ridiculous. I read that they got a personal stipend from Google too, but I've not been able to confirm that. Maybe you're confusing them with the Mozilla Foundation. The way they structure things so you can't donate to engineering on Firefox is skeevy, far worse than a system designed to enable content owners to get paid.

I was a supporter/promoter of FF for 18 years, fwiw.

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What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

Why would I need an excuse? I'm free to use whatever I want.

You're free to use Chrome and work in ad tech. It's a free world.

But the intended audience of my comment is the vast majority of people that dislike the direction Google is taking Chrome and the web at large, and do absolutely no effort for, quite frankly, inane reasons.

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