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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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The problem is there are almost 0 alternatives beyond Firefox so if you don’t like their UX you’re stuck. All the “new” browsers are just chromium skins (edge, arc, etc.) Are there any real competitors building a new browser?

i’ve been a happy safari user (desktop and mobile) for years now.

What adblock do you use with Safari? Last time I've tried, I couldn't find one and returned back to Firefox.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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What would you think the problem with Firefox' UX that keeps so many people from switching is? I think it's not UX, but pure marketing.

For a while FF on Mac was using a huge amount of CPU. For me it's fixed but YMMV.

Safari is lighter on the battery, but after trying it out with some extensions, it also uses more RAM than FF, so I don't know which is better in the end.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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I have been using Brave for about a year. Dont miss Firefox or Chrome.

I have a serious question about Brave. I would be glad to use it, but I am a bit scared of the fat that it is linked to a crypto (I didn't dive in the tokenomics, but maybe the team is driven by the money ? or other shady things ?), and also the fact that I go ads for this browser. Getting an ad for the browser make me question: what are their incentives ? Why would they invest money to attract people ? What is their…

I have the wallet/bat token stuff turned off. Its not even turned on when you install Brave.

The main reason I moved to Brave is Firefox's bizarre updating model on Ubuntu which causes it to randomly shutdown all the time. Plus on Android, brave just blocks a ton off ads, that firefox doesn't without extensions and fiddling about.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Brave is built on chromium. Cool concept, but not a new browser

They often say they don't use problematic features.

They're still beholden to Google. Their own repo is a set of patches that disable some features. For now, it's mostly feature flags being turned on/off. What happens when Google starts being more hostile and makes disabling features harder ? Can Brave have the manpower to disable that, forever? What if there's a new rendering engine that's 10 times faster but it's so intertwined with a restrictive API that you can't have one without the other?

Brave, for all their talk, are at Google's mercy.

And no, don't give me "but Chromium isn't just Google anymore": it is 90% Google.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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What is the excuse of all people reading this thread in agreement and still using Chrome? As I mentioned elsewhere, this is preaching to the choir. A choir of Chrome users. Google wouldn't be so dominant if tech people like us would stop making lazy excuses to continue its hegemony. In Dante's Divina Commedia , there is a circle of hell for those too lazy to take a stance [1]. If it were written today, it would inclu…

Many of my work tools require a browser extension that's only compatible with Chrome. The publishers don't plan to support Firefox or any other browser. I can do without these tools (not an easy task) but not my coworkers.

You can install adons from the Chrome store in Brave.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Remember the "Safari is the new IE" narrative? Just because Safari doesn't support some API doesn't make it IE, IE wasn't an inferior browser at the beginning either. What made IE the IE everyone hates was its departure from standards(?) and enforcing its own vision of the web thanks to its enormous market share. On IE's case, MS probably stagnated it to prevent competition against its desktop Apps business and on Go…

IE was absolutely hated for not evolving. I'm curious what "its own vision" was, other than "do as little as possible, while Mozilla and Opera keeps pushing forward." Now, this is from the perspective of the web developer. I don't think IE was ever hated the same way from the end-user perspective. Chrome is still innovating, but now end-users hate it, because it's trying to be too much. The "new IE" hat still belongs…

> Chrome is still innovating, but now end-users hate it

They do? That's quite a claim. I work with a number of people who were simply told that installing chrome is part of setting up your computer and don't really have any opinion -- "chrome" is the word for looking at a web page and "chrome is just how computers work". At least for the {desk,lap}top, I think that's the vast majority.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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What difference do you see between a browser and an OS? A browser is an OS. They perform the same role. A context to run whatever 3rd party software. If a project is too complex for a single organisation, then break it up into 2-3 projects. That is how OSS software handles complex tasks. Someone could do a real LLVM-style browser project then we don't have to use javascript which'd catapult us all into the 21st centu…

> What difference do you see between a browser and an OS? A browser is an OS. They perform the same role. A context to run whatever 3rd party software. This is where everything has gone screwy. A browser should only be rendering and displaying html files. Browsers should be minuscule in size, and /definitely/ not run any 3rd party software.

Says who? This sounds more like preaching than anything else.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Believe me, I want to use Firefox, but I've tried it on multiple PCs and a dozen different distros, and it is always significantly slower than chrome. I actually benchmarked startup time and page load times a few weeks back and found it was 2-3x slower. Since then Brave has gotten even faster.

Slower on which websites?

I can confirm. In my experience on edge-case hardware, a raspberry pi 2, Chrome will play 1080p video while Firefox will stutter. And since raspberry pi's are treated as TVs, I get absolutely drowned in ads on Chrome. To be fair, on my other machines I rarely see any ads(ad blockers), so to have my video interrupted by an ad on youtube is way beyond acceptable.

I am now using screen mirroring software "moonlight" to mirror my PC to the TV pi. I find people who watch ads weak minded apologists. Which is also the reason I will never again use Chrome.

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