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Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by maccard »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #20
maccard wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm perfectly content not having Linux on my M1 MacBook. That said, I don't want that to stop someone else from having it!

I should probably have clarified, there's not a single person I know who uses Linux as their daily driver that wouldn't want the option of having it run on an M1 MacBook. I'll grant that the vast majority of Apple users probably don't care about running Linux on it.

That makes sense, apologies for the misunderstanding. I feel like that goes without saying, though. I'm having a hard time imagining someone who is a happy fedora user saying they want to run something else on an M1 Mac

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by qwytw »

Knee_Pain wrote: post #123
agsnu wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be fair to say it's "quite simple" to port macOS apps to Linux if macOS apps were written against the Unix/POSIX API, but they are generally written using Apple's macOS-specific proprietary frameworks, meaning a Linux port of a GUI application would really be a re-write.

Adobe products look the same across Windows and macOS. I don't think they are using so much native stuff. They even ported their software to ARM, I think they could manage a Linux transition

> They even ported their software to ARM

Which is close to trivial if you're mainly using macOS APIs.

Of course Adobe probably has a lot of platform-agnostic stuff but which wasn't that straightforward to port but I'm pretty sure the UI and system stuff is still mainly using Cocoa.

I'm not even sure the macOS version would be necessarily that easier to port than the Windows one (then again there is probably not that much .net code in their tools)

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by bodge5000 »

kaba0 wrote: post #132
bodge5000 wrote: post #118

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The numbers for the standard upgrade were from a quick search on amazon (2TB NVME = £100, 32gb DDR4 = £50), and for the MacBook was just the cheapest I could find for the closest specs (£3,500 would actually only get me 1TB storage, that's just the most apple has for a laptop it seems). 1TB would be the minimum for me, especially spending that kind of money. Also I doubt I'd get £700 for my MBA, seeing as that's how…

Why wouldn’t you factor in the money you get for selling the current one? It is not an upgrade otherwise.

Its not an upgrade either way if you're buying a whole new machine.

As for my reasons, there's a few. First of all, particularly on higher priced items, a lot of the trouble with the price comes to having the full amount in the first place. I can't walk into an Apple Store £700 short but tell them "don't worry, I'll have the rest later".

Aside from that, actually selling the thing is no guarantee, especially not for £700. I remember going to buy a laptop on eBay over 3 years ago and I still see it up there now. It might not be as in demand as the MacBook would be, but the point holds. Even if it does sell, the question then is how long it takes before it does.

Based on that, I assume if I can only afford something if I sell something else, I can't actually afford it. There's just too many factors involved. If I can afford the thing and I sell the old thing after, great, that's a nice bonus.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

kaba0 wrote: post #140
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #138

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> Which is much worse - why is it me, the user that have to care about whether I’m in a terminal or a browser window and switch the shortcuts I use for the same functionality? How is it worse? Ctrl + C, Ctrl + D, Ctrl + Z all work as expected in the terminal. Now you want to copy something, which is obviously not going to work with Ctrl + C, so you just add a Shift to it instead of moving to a totally different key (…

No, ctrl+c works one way in the terminal, and a completely other way in every other GUI app. There is no good reason for this arbitrary change in meaning, objectively, otherwise from your logic it would follow that taking a screenshot would be logical in, say, gimp only by pressing ctrl+alt+shift+c, which I hope we can agree would make no sense.

Okay, I see your point now but it's a bit weird for me because having the Ctrl key only for a specific app seems unwise and still less efficient. It's not about Gimp, it's just the terminal that's special.

I've never had an issue with Ctrl+Shift+C. I also don't press Ctrl+C accidentally because I know when I'm using the terminal.

Even on macbook, I don't have issues with accidental presses but I don't like that I have to press an entirely different key on the keyboard to use the terminal.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by nils-herzig »

OO000oo wrote: post #82
jasoneckert wrote: post #51

I've been using Asahi based on Arch as my daily driver for over a year ( https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/ultimate-linux-arm64-wo... ) and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. This is mainly because I've used it on a desktop (Mac Mini, later Mac Studio), where hardware support came faster and is practically complete for M1 models. That being said, I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi F…

It's such a magnificent failure of the human race that this was possible but Photoshop for Linux is eternally out of the picture.

There is a GitHub repo with a one-click (curl pipe to bash) installer for Photoshop using wine. Works great. Not going to link it because of questionable legality haha but it's easy to find

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by mechhacker »

OO000oo wrote: post #82
jasoneckert wrote: post #51

I've been using Asahi based on Arch as my daily driver for over a year ( https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/ultimate-linux-arm64-wo... ) and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. This is mainly because I've used it on a desktop (Mac Mini, later Mac Studio), where hardware support came faster and is practically complete for M1 models. That being said, I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi F…

It's such a magnificent failure of the human race that this was possible but Photoshop for Linux is eternally out of the picture.

Is photoshop absolutely necessary?

Krita is a great tool and works with a lot of the graphics tablets on the market (not sure about the ones with a display but maybe?), and I was using it on Linux many years ago.

https://krita.org/

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by jasoneckert »

xgbi wrote: post #119
jasoneckert wrote: post #51

I've been using Asahi based on Arch as my daily driver for over a year ( https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/ultimate-linux-arm64-wo... ) and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. This is mainly because I've used it on a desktop (Mac Mini, later Mac Studio), where hardware support came faster and is practically complete for M1 models. That being said, I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi F…

> I've been using Asahi based on Arch [...] and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. > I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi Fedora [...] Fedora has a stronger team and less issues Why do you plan to change if the experience has been stellar? You mention issues, what kind did you encounter? I'm sorry if this feels rude, but I read your comment as a praise to Arch and then took an 180° turn…

While my particular experience has been stellar (i.e., the issues related to package maintenance have not affected me per se), long term distribution maintenance is an important consideration for me. This is why I applaud the efforts of the Fedora team here, and why I'll be switching to Asahi Fedora later this month when it's ready.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by gigatexal »

kaba0 wrote: post #135
gigatexal wrote: post #53

Honestly Apple should open up the hardware specs and make this easier for devs because I wasn’t in the market for an m1 mini if it was going to run macOS but now with my favorite distro with a remix available?! I’ll give Apple my duckets

I’m like 98% sure that your current hardware has no open specs, why should apple open theirs? Of course, idealistally I am all for it, but realistically that ship has sailed a long time ago, plus most companies have a jungle of patents that disallow them from doing so even if they wanted to.

Well the GPU for example AMD has been happy to work with the open source community. Sure the open driver still ships a giant blob iirc but it’s still better than nothing. Such an approach would be dope from Apple.

Of course they don’t have to. It would be nice if they did. I would argue they’d sell even more devices this way.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by Octabrain »

bodge5000 wrote: post #105
Octabrain wrote: post #35

After the painful experience I've had with the last ThinkPad I purchased (and before that, a Dell XPS, if Linux reaches a point where widely used distros are able to run on Mac M* flawlessly...personally I'm not gonna think it twice.

I doubt you're looking to burn more money but you could also try the framework laptops, I hear they're very well supported. Older Thinkpads also work if you want something cheaper (I don't really use my X220 anymore but I could never get rid of it), but then you do lose some performance.

I had a look to the Framework one, however, I've read (here, on HN, mostly) things about the battery life, the screen size and the feeling of flimsyness due to its DYI nature that were a turn off for me.
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