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Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Battery life would be the big thing, I think. There's not a single person I know who wouldn't like having Linux on their M1/M2 Macbooks--they're beautiful devices--but if you're not getting something approaching MacOS's battery life, then there's not that much separating it from another similarly-specced ultrabook.

I imagine a repurposed MacMini M1 will also be like raspberry pi on steroids.

Being like 20x more expensive helps ;)

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Why would battery life be impacted? The main reason for bad battery life is hardware acceleration for certain tasks. Once that's settled, the computer shouldn't start producing more heat out of the blue.

>The main reason for bad battery life is hardware acceleration for certain tasks. I guess this was a typo. MacOS/Apple Silicon (and other CPU architectures) save a lot of power via hardware acceleration. For instance, there are dedicated hardware video decoding blocks that use much less power than implementing video decoding with software. The MacOS kernel takes advantage of all of these hardware specifics. MacOS als…

> codesign of the processor

Was very confused for a moment.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Photoshop exists on macOS, which is a *BSD. If something already runs on *BSD it's quite simple to port it to Linux. But they just won't do it until it becomes used enough

It would be fair to say it's "quite simple" to port macOS apps to Linux if macOS apps were written against the Unix/POSIX API, but they are generally written using Apple's macOS-specific proprietary frameworks, meaning a Linux port of a GUI application would really be a re-write.

Adobe products look the same across Windows and macOS. I don't think they are using so much native stuff. They even ported their software to ARM, I think they could manage a Linux transition

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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post #119

I've been using Asahi based on Arch as my daily driver for over a year ( https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/ultimate-linux-arm64-wo... ) and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. This is mainly because I've used it on a desktop (Mac Mini, later Mac Studio), where hardware support came faster and is practically complete for M1 models. That being said, I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi F…

> I've been using Asahi based on Arch [...] and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. > I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi Fedora [...] Fedora has a stronger team and less issues Why do you plan to change if the experience has been stellar? You mention issues, what kind did you encounter? I'm sorry if this feels rude, but I read your comment as a praise to Arch and then took an 180° turn…

> Today at Flock, we announced that Fedora Linux will soon be available on Apple Silicon Macs. Developed in close collaboration with the Fedora Asahi SIG and the Asahi Linux project, the Fedora Asahi Remix will provide a polished experience for Workstation and Server usecases on Apple Silicon systems. The Asahi Linux project has also announced that the new Asahi Linux flagship distribution will be Fedora Asahi Remix.

This should clear it up from the article itself.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Can you install it without connecting to Apple/iCloud first? Like from flash drive to obliterate macOS, or does a partition have to be kept around still?

You don't have to connect to iCloud or have an Apple account to set up macOS, you just click "skip" or "set up later" in necessary places in the setup flow. It's not like Windows where installing it without connecting to your Microsoft account is hard.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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No, Fedora is upstream. Nothing changes for Fedora. Original CentOS is discontinued, CentOS Stream is downstream of Fedora but upstream of RHEL. RH has taken measures to thwart clones of RHEL.

> No, Fedora is upstream. Nothing changes for Fedora. I sincerely hope so - but after 2 significant rug-pulls, I'm not so sure of any forward looking statements by RH or about the RH ecosystem anymore ...

The worst RH can do is pull funding (which would be a massive deal, of course) but they can't just close off source access like they could with RHEL

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... Some say Wine is "cheating," but I say Wine is a platform. A good platform. That being said, I feel like the various editors integrating Stable Diffusion eat into a whole bunch of Photoshop functionality.

The current state of Wine Photoshop for the past 5 years is that it's unusable alongside other modern graphics software on modern hardware. The only high dpi version that you can expect to get working is CC2018 and it has a lot of bugs when running on Wine. CS6 runs perfectly and it's an excellent version of Photoshop, but it doesn't support high dpi so you'll have to lower your display resolution until you can read…

This won't help anyone who requires Wine as part of their workflow, I luckily don't, but I understand that Wine should be on target to handle Wayland by the next release early 2024.

This will give it proper HiDPI support and Vulkan rendering to help speed things up.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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So other than less battery performance, what other notable differences should I expect from Fedora on M2 vs the native MacOS. (I'm not being snarky, just trying to get a feel for how similar I should expect the performance and peripheral support to be; not focused on differences between gnome and the MacOS UI)

I think getting information about devices in and connected to the system would be easier from Linux; might be nice for device and board programming or diagnosing USB devices. I don't remember specifics but terminal use felt odd on macOS to me. I do Terminal no problem from Linux, but maybe it was the file structure or command syntax on macOS that felt different. Niche hardware stuff is likely cheaper to manage on Lin…

Unfortunately no Asahi release has support for Thunderbolt currently so eGPU will not work yet

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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I wonder when we'll have fully functional HDR and neural engine so that the creative professionals could try using Linux on their Apple silicon Macs (software support is another story, though Davinci Resolve is already there)

There’s a work in progress/prototype Neural engine driver already.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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post #19

I used to hate on Macs until I was given one by my employer. Then I realized that despite how awful macOS is, the laptop itself is completely unrivalled. There is no Lenovo/xps/framework/tuxbook/tongfang/clevo/whatever that comes close to the overall package of a MacBook. It has the stiffest body, the quietest fans, the biggest battery, the best screen and trackpad, etc. Even worse is the fact that a framework 16 is…

Part of it is that Apple has the margins that they can spend a little more on parts. They know they don't have to compete on price as much as PCs do. People aren't going to ditch the Mac over $25 or $50. However, people do regularly compare prices on PC laptops looking to save small amounts of money. That means that Apple can spend a little more designing and ordering a fan that's quieter with a better design and mor…

There are no ends to shitty, luxuriously priced laptops that are nowhere near the quality of any M-series laptop. Though I did hear good news about last generation intel processors, hopefully some competition will emerge - we can only win from thatz
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