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Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

drawnwren wrote: post #68
torstenvl wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how people hate macOS. There are some frustrations (e.g., rapid deprecation of things like GC'd Obj-C or 32-bit apps, code signing and notarization) but they pale in comparison to other platforms (glibc compatibility, $500+ code signing certs for Windows/Android, etc.)

The os being compared to here is linux. I fully understand that most devs don’t want to spend significant time customizing their OS to meet their workflow needs, but once you have a linux distro with a custom window manager —- I don’t see how you could reasonably claim the macos experience is comparable.

Nothing could convince me to drop PaperWM.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

weikju wrote: post #74
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #65

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I could live with it but the keyboard shortcuts are generally worse than Linux. https://gist.github.com/NayamAmarshe/c8dfabefc5a25df518edd34...

On the other hand, in a terminal, I can use Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V/etc for their intended (in-terminal) purposes and Cmd-C/Cmd-V/etc for their intended (macOS-wide) purposes...

On Linux you don't need a separate key though. Ctrl + Shift is all you need.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by dev_tty01 »

9front wrote: post #63

The issue with AsahiLinux is its dependency on macOS.

That is its core feature. The only reason Asahi exists is to run linux natively on Apple Silicon Macs. There are plenty of linux variants for other systems.

What dependency are you speaking of? It uses the external OS hooks built into the firmware. Is that the issue you are referring to? After boot, MacOS is not running in any way.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by dealuromanet »

tristan957 wrote: post #24
andrekandre wrote: post #22

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> how awful macOS is just curious, but what parts are awful? customization? or just generally bugs?

No window snapping.

I haven't missed window snapping since going full Apple a couple years ago. Whenever I need to see another tab or window, like if writing code and wanting documentation at the same time, command + tab and browser tab shortcuts are really fast and responsive and seamless. I prefer the larger amount of screen real estate in use without snapping plus the keyboard shortcuts over reducing the screen real estate to multitask via snapped windows, because windows side by side affect my focus more than just tabbing when needed.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by dealuromanet »

howinteresting wrote: post #79
aidos wrote: post #30

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Is…that it? There are apps that let you do that. If you were feeling sadistic you could write some AppleScript to do it for you.

Ah yes, then you download an app for that. And that app has its own updater. Then you realize you want your mouse and trackpad to scroll in reverse directions. So you download an app for that, which comes with its own updater. And then you want a flat acceleration profile for your mouse, and you download an app for that . That, too, comes with its own updater. Next, you realize that the Mac app-based cmd-tab sucks an…

> Then you realize you want your mouse and trackpad to scroll in reverse directions.

No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me. That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an app, in the system preferences.

> Next, you realize that the Mac app-based cmd-tab sucks and you'd much rather have Windows-like behavior.

No way. I love the cmd + tab and pairing that with keyboard shortcuts for navigating browser tabs is super powerful and doesn't require compromising the beautiful giant amount of screen real estate by inducing multitasking with multiple windows open. It's okay if it comes as a configuration but I would hope the default behavior stays this way.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by st3fan »

drawnwren wrote: post #68
torstenvl wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how people hate macOS. There are some frustrations (e.g., rapid deprecation of things like GC'd Obj-C or 32-bit apps, code signing and notarization) but they pale in comparison to other platforms (glibc compatibility, $500+ code signing certs for Windows/Android, etc.)

The os being compared to here is linux. I fully understand that most devs don’t want to spend significant time customizing their OS to meet their workflow needs, but once you have a linux distro with a custom window manager —- I don’t see how you could reasonably claim the macos experience is comparable.

It is not comparable. But which one is “better” is completely subjective.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by pengaru »

I'm excited about this despite not owning any Apple hardware, nor intending to own any in the future.

Just to see what a mature native Linux port does in terms of performance and battery life numbers.

We've had to suffer so much Apple fanboy b.s. ever since Apple Silicon became a thing, touting how special the software optimizations are for making this TSMC node's product so fast and efficient. Let's get a sense of what really happens without Apple's software, with an alternative unix-like OS that has similarly modern compositing desktops.

My money is it's 90% TSMC that made Apple Silicon so much better than the Intel trash Apple was stuck with, they never even tasted the AMD+TSMC glory first.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by howinteresting »

dealuromanet wrote: post #95
howinteresting wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, then you download an app for that. And that app has its own updater. Then you realize you want your mouse and trackpad to scroll in reverse directions. So you download an app for that, which comes with its own updater. And then you want a flat acceleration profile for your mouse, and you download an app for that . That, too, comes with its own updater. Next, you realize that the Mac app-based cmd-tab sucks an…

> Then you realize you want your mouse and trackpad to scroll in reverse directions. No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me. That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an app, in the system preferences. > Next, you realize that the Mac app-based cmd-tab sucks and you'd much rather have Window…

> No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me.

Yes, that's what makes sense for a trackpad. Many people want that behavior for their trackpad, and also for their mice to scroll in the traditional direction, which is the opposite that of a trackpad.

> That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an app, in the system preferences.

Have you actually tried it out?

> No way. I love the cmd + tab and pairing that with keyboard shortcuts for navigating browser tabs is super powerful and doesn't require compromising the beautiful giant amount of screen real estate by inducing multitasking with multiple windows open.

I really don't know how macOS-style application vs Windows-style window switchers have any bearing on this. Why should two Firefox windows next to each other be treated differently from a Firefox window next to Safari window? A browser window is a browser window.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by hollandheese »

IntelMiner wrote: post #86
hollandheese wrote: post #49

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Wait... how'd you get it working on G3 machines? As far as I know, 10.4 was the last release for G3s.

Retro computing enthusiast "Action Retro" has demoed Sorbet Leopard on his G3 laptops [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Ponlb4QPY

His Pismo has a G4 upgrade card in it. So nope.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by favadi »

Octabrain wrote: post #35

After the painful experience I've had with the last ThinkPad I purchased (and before that, a Dell XPS, if Linux reaches a point where widely used distros are able to run on Mac M* flawlessly...personally I'm not gonna think it twice.

Something is very off with ThinkPad development recently. A few years ago, I could pick any T-Series ThinkPad and expect them to have excellent Linux support.

My last two ThinkPads have various annoying issues: battery drain when sleeping, trackpoint freezing after a while, fan kicking in for no reasons.

I have used a System76 laptop in the past, everything is working as it should, but the hardware quality is not comparable to Thinkpads.

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