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I can't reply to Gud below, but their comment really shows they haven't worked with real users at all. A lot of people on hacker news assume everyone is in the demographic of hacker news for some odd reason. It absolutely can take 2 hours to help someone with a task it would take you 2 minutes to do (with 1.5 of those minutes watching progress bars) Some people are just dumb as rocks. Some, if you say to click a butt…
> Some people are just dumb as rocks. Or maybe they have become apathetic for what's on offer. Its not like anyone documents what data is sent back to base by an app, and its not like anyone is even looking at how to use the firewall to block data phoning home, in order to protect privacy and reduce the attack vector from opportunists with network access. This all seems like a side show.
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Re: Win11Debloat is a simple script that removes pre-installed windows bloatware
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't reply to Gud below, but their comment really shows they haven't worked with real users at all. A lot of people on hacker news assume everyone is in the demographic of hacker news for some odd reason. It absolutely can take 2 hours to help someone with a task it would take you 2 minutes to do (with 1.5 of those minutes watching progress bars) Some people are just dumb as rocks. Some, if you say to click a butt…
Presumably these users would be in a managed environment.
Re: Win11Debloat is a simple script that removes pre-installed windows bloatware
#183If you turn the complexity curve of debloating and custom Windows ROMs about 90 degrees, it's the same as the backwards bend Windows users are doing to avoid jumping to something easier like Linux Mint.
I'm a software developer. Some reasons I'm on Windows.
1. Font rendering
Programmers, admins, devops, people in tech basically stare at text all day long. Some people seem to be oblivious to font rendering issues on Linux. If you're one of them, lucky you! I'm not looking for imperfections just to pick on them, my eyes do notice them though.
1.1 Subpixel smoothing.
Was not a thing for a long time. I'm perfectly aware it wasn't due to technical reasons but because of patents on the technology. Withholding my judgment on the patent system overall, I'll just say knowing the reason didn't make it any easier on my eyes.
Yes, you could rebuild libfreetype with `#define FT_CONFIG_OPTION_SUBPIXEL_RENDERING` or hunt down and install an Infinality package. If you were on a distro with libfreetype compiled without that `#define` (as in almost all of them except Ubuntu), the very next thing you'd be faced with is the fact that packages relying on libfreetype check `ftoption.h` for the flag at compile time. Which makes sense -- how else would you check for a `define`? The result of this was that Firefox, KDE, Qt, and GTK apps wouldn't take advantage of subpixel rendering in libfreetype, unless you set out recompile all of them too (as I used to do). So much for the model of only single copy of a shared library in the system, I guess...
But that has finally changed for the better 3 or 4(?) years ago. Now `FT_CONFIG_OPTION_SUBPIXEL_RENDERING` is defined by default in all major distros, afaik.
Alas, my eyes still can't stand Linux font rendering, which brings us to
1.2 Font kerning
It's simple really, the spacing between letters looks uneven. Apart from making rendered text look ugly, it makes reading harder by breaking the visual rhythm of the text. I feel, it increases eye strain too.
Head to this page for a visual illustration of what I'm going on about: https://pandasauce.org/post/linux-fonts/#the-ugliest-part
Let me take a moment to remind you, our jobs involve staring at text all day long. Don't know about you, but to me good font rendering is a huge deal.
1.3 Config files
Let's see, this Arch wiki page[^1] lists how many configuration files related to fonts? There's the fontconfig library with user configuration files in `~/.fonts.conf.d/`, there is XOrg's `~/.Xresources` for apps that don't support fontconfig, and then there is the gnome-tweaks, and xsettingsd utilities. This list is likely not exhaustive either.
And it's not like you can ignore some of this configs and utilities, if you want consistent font rendering across the system, you'll have to futz around with most of them. A nice bonus, font rendering of Qt apps can and does break if run them in GNOME. Font rendering of GTK apps can and does break if you happen to start one in KDE. As they say, in Linux you can configure everything, and you will be configuring everything.
But you're learning how your OS works under the hood? Yeah, no, not really.
Learning how hardware works is interesting and potentially beneficial for your career prospects, same with learning how a kernel works, or, you know, even learning the fundamentals of font rendering can make you a better programmer.
Learning to handle a bunch of config files scattered all over the place just to get fonts render half-decently is nothing but a waste of time. And I shudder to think just how much I personally wasted.
That's it on fonts, but there's more on Linux.
2. Drivers
Linus made an intentional, strategic decision early on: the kernel is not going to maintain backward-compatible ABI for drivers (don't confuse this with user-space backward-compatibility though). The idea was to put pressure on hardware vendors to make their drives open-source and add them to the kernel's source tree.
The year is 2023, and it seems that decision back-fired just a little bit, at least for Desktop systems. But who knows, let's have a bit of patience, because important change doesn't come easy and fast. That said, while I don't care much about 3D acceleration, I really enjoy my laptop's touch-pad just working and its battery not draining because the discrete and integrated GPUs have no problems working in "hybrid" mode under Windows.
That's probably it for the list of "global" things that are broken (just my opinion) in Linux. Mind you, not for the lack of material, I'm just out of steam by now. Just one thing to add about Mint in particular.
3. Linux Mint distro user-friendliness
Last I checked, Mint had updates grouped into five categories numbered from 1 to 5. 1 being the least risky, 5 labeled Dangerous and colored red. The funny part is, many security updates would land in "5 - Dangerous". So, there you're having a security hole in your system, but it's dangerous to install an update patching it. Does it sound user-friendly to you? There was even a bit of drama around this subject back at the time[^2].
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[^1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/font_configuration
[^2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20131206095859/https://lists.ubu...
Re: Win11Debloat is a simple script that removes pre-installed windows bloatware
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Nothing about that really screams "kiosk" to me. That to me says a purpose built computer, which both my desktop and steam deck sole purpose is to play games. I don't need regular updates either, I need a stable OS. Most games are not on the bleeding edge of technology and need the latest Windows features, especially if those features are not back ported to Windows 10. Again will point out that I am running this dail…
Look like it's MS way to shoo people away from this version (Which contain no bloatware)
I mean there is some truth that it is missing stuff, I had to install some gaming libraries. But it just installed it when I missed it, it was easier than dealing with dependencies in some repo's I have worked with. And this was on a touch screen without a keyboard and mouse on my Steam Deck.
I am pretty sure anyone that has ever installed anything on Windows could figure out how it works.
Now the only catch is if certain things you install have to install enough things that you are suddenly back to a normal Windows installation (for example, it doesn't come with the Windows store but when I installed the Xbox app it relies on that). But that same catch exists for any debloat tool as well.
Re: Win11Debloat is a simple script that removes pre-installed windows bloatware
#185Had a quick skim. Hmm, Teams, OneNote and Remote Desktop considered bloatware, gaming apps not. Not sure of the target demographic for this. Perhaps worth considering very carefully before running in productivity or office environments, assuming you have access.
Re: Win11Debloat is a simple script that removes pre-installed windows bloatware
#186Had a quick skim. Hmm, Teams, OneNote and Remote Desktop considered bloatware, gaming apps not. Not sure of the target demographic for this. Perhaps worth considering very carefully before running in productivity or office environments, assuming you have access.
It also removes the Video player which is odd because like, I feel like that kinda should be built into an OS?
Re: Win11Debloat is a simple script that removes pre-installed windows bloatware
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Signed executables
Are there signed executables that do what Win11Debloat and similar tools do?
Re: Win11Debloat is a simple script that removes pre-installed windows bloatware
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That's no excuse, they can learn to use Gimp and FreeCAD instead of using Photoshop and AutoCAD. /s
I'm with you on this, but again, far fewer people even need things as heavy as Gimp/Photoshop with the web alternatives around. Stuff like Canva, even.
(Office 365 may be changing that, though.)
Re: Win11Debloat is a simple script that removes pre-installed windows bloatware
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Some people are just dumb as rocks. Or maybe they have become apathetic for what's on offer. Its not like anyone documents what data is sent back to base by an app, and its not like anyone is even looking at how to use the firewall to block data phoning home, in order to protect privacy and reduce the attack vector from opportunists with network access. This all seems like a side show.
How is any of that relevant to walking a use through self install of an app. From an app store or managed software centers, or wherever.
Re: Win11Debloat is a simple script that removes pre-installed windows bloatware
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Just curious, does mint have an easy to set up cloud file system (easy as in login, click “yes backup”, and done) does it integrate with the word processor and spreadsheet software so that atomic changes are saved in real-time creating an easy version history? Do those same programs have online equivalents that allow multiple users to edit at the same time as me? Forget gaming, 90% of what I use my personal computer…
Look up Free office; it's a 99% identical clone of the Microsoft Office suite for Mac and Linux, and it's free. Couple that with Dropbox (which has version history for files on its paid plan), and you're good to go. Dolphin, the best file manager, also integrates with Dropbox nicely. I don't know why anyone Linux-literate would recommend Mint though. Try KDE instead. I recommend Manjaro, which is a managed rolling re…
Additionally, if Dropbox version history works the same way it did with MS365, I don’t need it in my life. We had that at work, there were constantly different versions of the same doc being created, and it was never clear which was the latest.
Also the fact that there is a “best” file manager and it’s not the one that comes with the OS means this isn’t for me. I don’t enjoy spending every other weekend tweaking my tools to be just so, I just want sane defaults so I can do the thing I want with the tool. I know some people really enjoy the tweaking and for them, that’s the main reason to even have the tool, but for me, I like my tools to just work.