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Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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There are Mormons outside America?

Yes and no. It's very minor outside of the US except for some island nations in the Pacific. Mormon membership numbers of actual adherents are likely 20% to 40% of membership claimed based on "inactivity" rates (and people leaving).

I learned about the pacific island nations, after I learned that the Polynesian Cultural Center in Hawaii is owned and operated by the LDS Church.

Samoa is a big one I guess.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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how can they detect that someone "used marijuana" once long time ago ?

I thought part of getting anything like a security clearance involves their interviewing people from your past. So all it takes is one of those people admitting they smoked pot with you under the bleachers in high school, for example.

It really depends on the level of security clearance, I think. I had a secret clearance years ago, and never heard from friends or acquaintances that anyone had asked about me.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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I remember when I was in the Navy, running a nuclear power plant on a ship that carried nuclear weapons, and the Chief of the Boat regularly showed up to work so drunk he couldn't speak (having driven himself to work) and everyone ignored it and when juniors complained seniors threatened to fabricate charges against them to shut them up, and listening to that guy scream and yell about how anyone who smokes cannabis i…

I'd love to see a comparison between the amount of whiskey and blow consumed by people who get drug tested and the amount of weed smoked by people who don't.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Marijuana use was mostly OK until Reagan came in. Then DISCO announced a policy change.

Nixon started the "war on drugs." About marijuana activists, he said: > I want a Goddamn strong statement on marijuana, I mean one that just tears the ass out of them. You know, its a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish.

Wait... I'm Jewish?

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Or... just decriminalize it altogether, including forgiveness of past use.

As long as republicans continue to say no to that, it's impossible to do. Democrats basically never have actual control over the American Government, it's happened like 4 years out of the past 20, and that's not a new phenomenon. Even in the times they have had "full" control of all portions of government, republican senators are still able to "block" stuff through made up rules and "norms" that democrats don't want…

Oh sweet summer child. The Democrats have absolutely been in a position do this, but they did not, because they would lose that voting block. They need the issue. It will become legal once big pharma and big tobacco have decided they want it to happen, regardless of who is in charge.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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A (very talented) friend of mine was supposed to work at the White House during the Obama admin. He got as far as signing documents and moving from California to Washington DC. That was when they told him that his offer was rescinded for past use of marijuana. They said there were no exceptions to the rule, but it was the only reason he was denied.

I tried finding it but I listened to someone on KQED/NPR who worked for Obama's White House and had to go through a security clearance. She said she used marijuana hundreds of times, and they let her get the job. Something doesn't add up. Or, for your friend's specific job they had different rules. She wasn't an intern or something very low level, but I can't remember her title. Edit: Deputy Chief of Staff for Operat…

Clearance is a funny business. They want to weed out things which can be used as leverage against people with clearance.

So - financial stuff is their number 1 clearance issue I've heard. If you're deep in debt, or otherwise demonstrate poor control over your financial life.

Next up is being part of the LGBT community - if you're in the closet. I've heard they don't care about people being gay per se, just the secret aspect of it. Anecdotally, I had a govvie friend mention an FBI analyst who had a side hustle in gay porn. Totally OK.

Being open about drug use, as long as it's not the hard drugs, I could see someone getting a pass for.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as republicans continue to say no to that, it's impossible to do. Democrats basically never have actual control over the American Government, it's happened like 4 years out of the past 20, and that's not a new phenomenon. Even in the times they have had "full" control of all portions of government, republican senators are still able to "block" stuff through made up rules and "norms" that democrats don't want…

Oh sweet summer child. The Democrats have absolutely been in a position do this, but they did not, because they would lose that voting block. They need the issue. It will become legal once big pharma and big tobacco have decided they want it to happen, regardless of who is in charge.

> Democrats have absolutely been in a position do this, but they did not, because they would lose that voting block. They need the issue.

Correct on the first, wrong on the second. Stockpiling issues doesn't work in U.S. politics: it's how you get primaried.

The truth: there are enough Democrats in competitive districts where legalized marijuana would lose them the next general. It's a majority of the minority problem. Not anything strategic.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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As I understand it the drug use screening in a security clearance isn't so much because the government are squares but it's that illegal drug use is something that could be used to blackmail you. The worry is if the KGB learns about your cocaine habit they could confront you and demand you work for them as a double agent or they'll expose your illegal activities and ruin your life.

Work as a double agent then: make the FSB think they got you and feed them false information. Your own service obviously has to keep a no-drugs policy front to make your situation more legit.

I think that makes you a triple agent.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Let me be the first to welcome people with more diverse substance abuse problems to our beloved secret police. My greatest regret is that I can only declare a mere hour of applause for their great personal sacrifices and worthily earned pensions. Tbh, I kind of liked the idea that decriminalization and liberal attitudes were starving them for talent.

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I would like to nominate this comment for the best of 2023. This was hilarious and also how I felt :)

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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The background checks for agencies often include going back and talking to high school friends and neighbors. They will ask about drug use.

Having friends and neighbours that will lie for you (or be unaware of your gravest moments of joint smoking) seems like a good level of trustworthiness.

You can't predict who they will reach out to you. Also, lying during a federal background check is ... dangerous, to say the least. Remember, it's really hard to produce lies that stand up to repeated questioning, especially lies that span several people.
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