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Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Tangent: It has always annoyed me that a sigmoid curve does not look like a sigma, and it doesn't really look much like an S either. Just the middle part of an S. Am I missing something?

Old school handwriting, probably [0]. When people had to squiggle the glyphs on paper they had all sorts of weird and wonderful ways of scribing. Consider that the integral symbol is actually an S. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s

Oooh that makes sense, thanks!

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> Study Deep Blue’s 1997 defeat of world chess champion Garry Kasparov, and your excitement about how quickly this technology would take over other cognitive work would wane as you learned just how much brute human force went into fine-tuning the software specifically to beat Kasparov. That was ~26 yeas ago. In the intervening 26 years humans have been curb-stomped so hard at chess that certain microwaves might be co…

Curious why you needed to inject the violent overtones in your comment, "curb stomped? We're building tools to help us augment our intelligence, I don't see anyone getting "curb stomped"? If intelligence leads to more violence, then I don't think it will be as useful as we'd have hoped.

It's just a turn of phrase that means you got 100% beaten without challenge.

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> Study Deep Blue’s 1997 defeat of world chess champion Garry Kasparov, and your excitement about how quickly this technology would take over other cognitive work would wane as you learned just how much brute human force went into fine-tuning the software specifically to beat Kasparov. That was ~26 yeas ago. In the intervening 26 years humans have been curb-stomped so hard at chess that certain microwaves might be co…

Curious why you needed to inject the violent overtones in your comment, "curb stomped? We're building tools to help us augment our intelligence, I don't see anyone getting "curb stomped"? If intelligence leads to more violence, then I don't think it will be as useful as we'd have hoped.

> brute human force

> beat Kasparov

So much violence everywhere

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What's a large language model doing when it's not being queried? Am I correct that they only compute information when dealing with a prompt? If so, that seems like a fundamental flaw. An actual "thinking machine" would be constantly running computations on its accumulated experience in order to improve its future output.

Thank you. This is one of the questions far too few people seem to be paying attention to. "Thinking" in any way that we truly understand the term requires consciousness , and consciousness requires much more continuity than LLMs have. It would need continuity of input as well as continuity of learning in order to even be able to begin to approach something we might recognize as consciousness.

Why?

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What's a large language model doing when it's not being queried? Am I correct that they only compute information when dealing with a prompt? If so, that seems like a fundamental flaw. An actual "thinking machine" would be constantly running computations on its accumulated experience in order to improve its future output.

Our brain is made of interconnected systems but somehow expect LLM architecture to encompass the whole spectrum.

Nothing stops you from running a loop that involves other systems such as long term memory (vector /dev storage), visual pre-processor (CNN), auto lora, and more.

That’s the fundamental flaw with most of the criticism - the tech is out only a few short months in the hands of everyone. The disruption will come from plugging it into feedback systems.

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Hooking an LLM up to a loop would solve that. Then you can find a way to include a described video feed and method of movement into the mix.

Not really, because it would hit a moment where it runs out of context. It can't really learn anything for now.

Not really, hook up external sensors to keep shoveling data , feedback data into continuous lora and performance comparison,

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Curious why you needed to inject the violent overtones in your comment, "curb stomped? We're building tools to help us augment our intelligence, I don't see anyone getting "curb stomped"? If intelligence leads to more violence, then I don't think it will be as useful as we'd have hoped.

It's just a turn of phrase that means you got 100% beaten without challenge.

No, no it isn't. It's a very particular violent act designed to maximize ongoing physical pain and social disadvantage in the victim. Sort of like throwing sulfuric acid at someone's face.

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Plenty of practically mint human bodies just sitting around waiting to be repurposed. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9816703

This is the scary scenario. What if AI does out pace humans, but the physical side does not, we don't succeed in making vast quantities of easy to build and maintain robots. Thus to keep industry going, the AI does need humans, and it gives the directions. If you have ever worked in a modern warehouse, it is very evident, the humans are just following instructions from the system. Now scale that up to a manufacturing…

This is what Doctorow refers to as the "reverse centaur"
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